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Old 11-28-2018, 02:17 PM   #26
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I love the look of the hatch.. but I'll reserve full judgement for a live viewing.

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The torsion beam rear was disclosed several months ago and the reason they stated (we all know cost savings, but meh) was that it drastically helped with NVH that customers had been complaining about. That being said, the Fiesta ST also had a torsion beam rear so maybe they have some decent implementation of it? Who knows
The Fiesta ST only works because of a very aggressive yaw control program that makes 8/10ths feel great.. but it quickly falls apart if you're pushing beyond that. They're pretty sketchy over bumps. There's no way to make a torsion beam match a mutli-link for ride and handling.

I don't buy the NVH argument.. not at all.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:10 PM   #27
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The AWD version will probably still have multi-link.
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Sure hope the AWD variant has multi link rear, still canít understand why the FWD doesnít. Well, realistically I know itís about cost savings.
I wouldn't count on it. I would think they would have mentioned that a multi link is available. They even went out of their way to mention the torsion beam setup was used to reduce NVH. Also, the CX-3 has a torsion beam rear with AWD.

Unless they are doing a Hyundai like the Kona gets multi link for AWD and torsion for FWD, but Hyundai mentioned the suspension difference.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:29 PM   #28
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:39 PM   #29
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^ my guess is aerodynamics on hatches. A gradual drop instead of a quick cut down should reduce drag? And that annoying always-dirty-rear-window problem hatches have. Kinda like how these fastback sedan/hatches are all the rage now.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:48 PM   #30
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At least it doesn't have a floating roof design.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:49 PM   #31
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Yeah.. it looks nice.

High belt line.

No floating roof.

Blacked out hatch spoiler makes it look more raked than it really is.

It looks like it was shrink wrapped and it makes me want to wash it.
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:51 AM   #32
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^ my guess is aerodynamics on hatches. A gradual drop instead of a quick cut down should reduce drag? And that annoying always-dirty-rear-window problem hatches have. Kinda like how these fastback sedan/hatches are all the rage now.
I would like to see some glass there on the c pillar though.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:22 AM   #33
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Not super happy about that c pillar either. I'd still buy it if they put a turbo in it, but I'd for sure get the electronic safety gizmos like blind spot detection and rear cross traffic alert.
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:13 AM   #34
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Old 11-29-2018, 03:09 AM   #35
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I wouldn't count on it. I would think they would have mentioned that a multi link is available. They even went out of their way to mention the torsion beam setup was used to reduce NVH. Also, the CX-3 has a torsion beam rear with AWD.
If they've figured a good way to add AWD to torsion beam already, that's what it'll get.

The 3 hatch looks worse with every generation, imo. Of course I love the Civic hatch so it's all subjective!
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Old 11-29-2018, 04:30 AM   #36
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It looks Tesla-esque.
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:09 AM   #37
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It looks Tesla-esque.
Both vehicles do have 4 wheels so I guess I can see it.
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:20 AM   #38
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That c pillar is hideous.
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:20 PM   #39
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hatch looks like a CUV. Such a shame, some of the past MS3's have looked great.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:29 PM   #40
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that is a really ugly rear end



stolen from the Daewoo Lacetti

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Old 11-29-2018, 01:47 PM   #41
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I'm a weirdo because the rear end is my favorite part. *shrug*

I just don't like how small the rear passenger window is. I watched a Redline overview where they got to open the doors and look inside. The rear passenger volume seems small too.

I still hate the tacked-on infotainment center.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:48 PM   #42
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One of the best looking designs at the LAAS 2018, love both the front and rear
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:59 PM   #43
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"People like crossovers, we should make our hatchback look like a crossover" - Mazda, probably.

Have to be honest though, I'd hate to be in the position smaller manufacturers are in; they have to invest in safety, nannies, and tech and provide on everything in their lineup if they want to sell, coupled with the fact that the bulk of people want ride height over handling, but they don't want to pay for the tech, so the mechanical bits suffer, stamped it's steel & torsion beams for all! and over-sized heavy wheels, because people like that too
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Old 11-29-2018, 05:34 PM   #44
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I'm a weirdo because the rear end is my favorite part. *shrug*

I just don't like how small the rear passenger window is. I watched a Redline overview where they got to open the doors and look inside. The rear passenger volume seems small too.

I still hate the tacked-on infotainment center.
It's cheaper to tack it on like they did. Everyone is starting to do that now because it's cheaper. The flip side is you are stuck with that headunit as long as you own the car. I hate that. Cars are becoming like phones, couple years, obsolete.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:32 PM   #45
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It's cheaper to tack it on like they did. Everyone is starting to do that now because it's cheaper. The flip side is you are stuck with that headunit as long as you own the car. I hate that. Cars are becoming like phones, couple years, obsolete.
At least Mazda updates their infotainment systems.... $600 stupid upgrade...
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:39 PM   #46
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If they've figured a good way to add AWD to torsion beam already, that's what it'll get.
They've been using it in the CX3 already. Anyone heard of any issues with it? *crickets*

Also, while we in the US may not be aware of the torsion beam in hatches, one of the top hot hatches in EU has one, the Megane RS.

All is not dead because they use it. Things have changed over the years. Things have been learned. Give it a chance before pooh poohing it. *sheesh*

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They've been using it in the CX3 already. Anyone heard of any issues with it? *crickets*

Also, while we in the US may not be aware of the torsion beam in hatches, one of the top hot hatches in EU has one, the Megane RS.

All is not dead because they use it. Things have changed over the years. Things have been learned. Give it a chance before pooh poohing it. *sheesh*

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I mean, if GM can figure out how to make a Torsion beam & LRA work in an AWD system in the 80's I'm sure Mazda can figure it out 30ish years later.

Some Advantages:wheel hop is minimized/goes away, it's easier to get the car to rotate/get the rear out under throttle, cheaper, takes up less space, lighter, stronger (fewer moving parts/universal joints).

Some Disadvantages: worse ride, will not handle as well, not adjustable.

For me; I'll pass - modern cars are prioritizing tech over the mechanical bits; it's a cost cutting measure plain and simple; they are selling a mechanically cheap car with tech for a relatively high price; essentially you're paying for the infotainment and nannies; the software.
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Old 11-30-2018, 11:44 AM   #48
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I'm sorry but torsion beam rear setup is a major downgrade. It's one thing when a car that nobody cares about or buys for it's dynamics like a Nissan Sentra utilizes it but Mazda isn't in a position it can sell junk cars like that. We ridiculed Ford for years for producing Mustangs with SRA for the same reason we should not give Mazda a pass for going back to a budget setup. That said the average commuter that doesn't care about dynamics will not likely notice providing they drive on well paved roads and the bonus is that these cars will likely have more trunk/hatch space than the outgoing models. This probably also means that we are looking at another generation of the Mazda 3 without a performance variant. Mazda has to do what they thinks best I guess but to me it's always going to be a lower tech car compared to a Civic or even Impreza.
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Old 11-30-2018, 02:21 PM   #49
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Until tests are done to compare the new 3's torsion beam setup, I'll hold judgement. I'm sure we will hear plenty of analysis as almost every review has mentioned the suspension change.

It's a downgrade, granted the CX-3 is still a great handler compared to its competitors, but it is a subcompact class where torsion beam is a norm. The thing is, the 3's many competitors (Civic, Golf, Focus, Impreza) are using multi link setups. Yes, many are still using torsion beam setups too but the Elantra (Sport), Veloster, Corolla (hatch) recently added multi link setups.

I really hope Mazda offers AWD with MT and Skyactiv-X.
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Old 11-30-2018, 02:44 PM   #50
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that is a really ugly rear end


I showed someone this pic and they said it looks like a finger nail that was cut back too far.
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