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Old 12-01-2018, 08:41 AM   #1
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More power, torque vectoring, and maybe even a manual

Earlier this month, on the drive launch for the 2019 Ford Edge ST, we had a chance to chat with Ed Krenz, the Chief Functional Engineer for Ford Performance. In that conversation, we asked Krenz what he would do if Ford tasked him with developing an Edge RS. Interestingly, he seemed to already have an answer.

"Now that would clearly be a bit of a white space vehicle, so it's not something we'd go and say, 'Let's go copy X, Y, or Z. '" Krenz told Motor Trend. "We'd be able to create kind of that segment of non-premium, ultra-high-performance SUVs. What would we like it to be? The RS would have to bring more power. The RS would have to bring additional vehicle dynamics. That could be done through even more aggressive tires, more aggressive suspension setup, active dampers, torque vectoring. Those are things we definitely know how to do if we decide that we want to do it."

While he didn't go into specifics, if the Edge RS ever does happen, don't be surprised if that extra power comes from the 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6 that currently makes 375 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque in the F-150. We'd also expect an updated version of the torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system used in the Focus RS. As for the transmission, don't assume the Edge RS would be automatic-only.

"I think there is definitely a manual transmission enthusiasts group," said Krenz. "It's something on a Mustang product that we refused to walk away from, the manual transmission. You know, the Fiesta and Focus STs traditionally have had that capability. I think we're gonna learn a little bit, whether or not this segment really requires that."

Of course, what Krenz said is far from a confirmation that there's a 375-hp Ford Edge RS with a manual transmission and a drift mode in the works. But if Ford's going to drop most of its U.S. car lineup, it's nice to know its people are already thinking about how much performance they can get out of the crossovers that remain in the portfolio.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:12 AM   #2
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50-60k edge? getting close to raptor money
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There’s a market for an expensive, manual, mid-size SUV that can slide into soccer practice parking lots? I know I don’t have any numbers to prove it, but I would bet the FoRS was a money loser for ford. If they really want to go into RS SUVs they better do some serious number crunching before these ideas get the better of them. ST I can see, but RS may be overkill.
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Thereís a market for an expensive, manual, mid-size SUV that can slide into soccer practice parking lots? I know I donít have any numbers to prove it, but I would bet the FoRS was a money loser for ford. If they really want to go into RS SUVs they better do some serious number crunching before these ideas get the better of them. ST I can see, but RS may be overkill.
The Edge is actually a pretty solid vehicle and I loved having them as rentals. If I was shopping for a Volvo V60, Audi Q5, Lexus RX, Acura MDX, Jaguar F pace, Iíd definitely cross shop this. Hell, this is a perfect vehicle for the guy whoís wife wonít allow him a ďsportyĒ car but they want something bigger for the kids. And letís be honest, Iíd this stickers for around $50k, youíll eventually be able to grab it for $10k off when sales happen, which is usually in Q2 and continue through the year.
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Yeah I’m not hitting the edge, it’s just out of its brand’s space going higher... diving into the performance SUV range and getting into luxury brand pricing. Personally, I think the idea is awesome, as most people here would think. But how many spouses would go for a Ford when they can run errands in a luxury brand?

I think with reasonable options it would be over $50. Yes you’d consider it, but you’re already looking for the sale. Not a good sign for Ford. Having to rely on incentives to move products is the last thing they want or need considering they’re trimming and trying to be more profitable.
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Pretty sure the Jeep SRT or Trackhawk is in the "...that segment of non-premium, ultra-high-performance SUVs"
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Yeah Iím not hitting the edge, itís just out of its brandís space going higher... diving into the performance SUV range and getting into luxury brand pricing. Personally, I think the idea is awesome, as most people here would think. But how many spouses would go for a Ford when they can run errands in a luxury brand?

I think with reasonable options it would be over $50. Yes youíd consider it, but youíre already looking for the sale. Not a good sign for Ford. Having to rely on incentives to move products is the last thing they want or need considering theyíre trimming and trying to be more profitable.
I think if itís just over $50k loaded itís still a good deal. Luxury brand loyalty is dying. Go find me a $50k luxury suv/crossover with the same specs as the Edge RS.
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I think if itís just over $50k loaded itís still a good deal. Luxury brand loyalty is dying. Go find me a $50k luxury suv/crossover with the same specs as the Edge RS.
I agree and you can spend $50K+ on Kia and Hyundai now. The whole industry is moving this direction.
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I have fielded a phone call from the lead engineer on the vehicle dynamics team, but there has been no movement toward actual quotations or engineering and development. For now it's just an option Ford has in their binder.
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I agree and you can spend $50K+ on Kia and Hyundai now. The whole industry is moving this direction.
Exactly. People also underestimate the quality in Ford SUV and Trucks, especially the higher trim variants. I can't remember what Mercedes SUV my old boss had but he was damn impressed with my F150 when he got in it. Said it felt more comfortable in the passenger seat and was nearly as quiet.

For $50k'ish (give or take a few grand), there is nothing that directly competes with the Edge RS, or at least not that i'm aware of. 375hp, 470tq is nutters and would be a blast. I think the closest equivalent in terms of specs is a Mercedes AMG GLA which has a starting price of $54k 370hp, 350tq. Add anything to that vehicle and you find yourself looking at $65k-$70k pretty quickly.

I do think giving the Edge RS a manual trans is stupid. Give it a decent flappy paddle system and call it a day.
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Exactly. People also underestimate the quality in Ford SUV and Trucks, especially the higher trim variants. I can't remember what Mercedes SUV my old boss had but he was damn impressed with my F150 when he got in it. Said it felt more comfortable in the passenger seat and was nearly as quiet.

For $50k'ish (give or take a few grand), there is nothing that directly competes with the Edge RS, or at least not that i'm aware of. 375hp, 470tq is nutters and would be a blast. I think the closest equivalent in terms of specs is a Mercedes AMG GLA which has a starting price of $54k 370hp, 350tq. Add anything to that vehicle and you find yourself looking at $65k-$70k pretty quickly.

I do think giving the Edge RS a manual trans is stupid. Give it a decent flappy paddle system and call it a day.
The only proper flappy paddle system they have is in the GT. It won't bolt up to a FWD architecture, so that's out. The only higher torque FWD manual trans they have is the Focus RS, and it's not going to handle the theoretical 470 lb-ft, so a manual is definitely out. They aren't going to create a completely new transmission just to sell 500 of them. At the moment I think the only option is the 6 speed auto in the MKZ / Continental which can handle the 400 lb-ft from the 3.0L V6TT. In theory those get upgraded to an 8 speed at some point, but I don't know if that trans is already available or still in development.
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I think fully loaded would approach $60k since a fully loaded ST is just a hair under $50k USD (I'm in Canada so I had to look up US pricing haha) . I see your point about RS specs if people really care about all-out numbers, but you can have fun in a Macan S at those price points too... If I were in the market I'd put my money into the latter.

I guess Ford just needs to watch their use of incentives to move inventory for that price point if they're really trying to trim and get more profitable.

Either way, it would be an interesting model if it comes out.

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I think fully loaded would approach $60k since a fully loaded ST is just a hair under $50k USD (I'm in Canada so I had to look up US pricing haha) . I see your point about RS specs if people really care about all-out numbers, but you can have fun in a Macan S at those price points too... If I were in the market I'd put my money into the latter.

I guess Ford just needs to watch their use of incentives to move inventory for that price point if they're really trying to trim and get more profitable.

Either way, it would be an interesting model if it comes out.
I'm pretty sure Ford does a lot of factoring into margin around incentives. Dollars over that is icing on the cake.
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manual in this is completely out of the question.. what is the point. The SUV driver and manual are two totally separate circles in a Venn Diagram.
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im sure the lease like crazy like the rest of the glc43's, sq5's, and x3 m40i's
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