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Old 01-25-2012, 05:40 PM   #51
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Really? So even more rental stores are gonna go out of business. I can't let my friends borrow my games. Or are you suggesting that the game publishers have to create separate discs for renting?

Oh. I guess renting would all be through downloading the game trail, or maybe even full game.
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:47 PM   #52
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Yeah, I am old and buy only a few titles a year as well, so whatever to the old ones not working, they end up at Gamestop.

It would however annoy me if I could not share/borrow a new game with a friend. Still not a dealbreaker for me.
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:49 PM   #53
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Really? So even more rental stores are gonna go out of business. I can't let my friends borrow my games. Or are you suggesting that the game publishers have to create separate discs for renting?

Oh. I guess renting would all be through downloading the game trail, or maybe even full game.
Yeah I don't know. At first it wouldn't matter because everything is new, it would probably take over a year for the rental/used gaming industry to start taking a hit.

The downloadable games variable is one I didn't consider. Maybe it can works like an OS..you download it and install it from the renter, then you have some kind of key that unlocks it for a week or whatever. To get more playing time you have to buy another key.

Downside is, the popular games are also going to be bigger...50GB is a going to take awhile on your average connection. Then you're going to need tons of space on top of it.

Should be interesting to watch.
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:51 PM   #54
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Yeah, I am old and buy only a few titles a year as well, so whatever to the old ones not working, they end up at Gamestop.

It would however annoy me if I could not share/borrow a new game with a friend. Still not a dealbreaker for me.
Yeah, it's like they are trying to turn console gaming into PC gaming. Can't run two copies with the same key on different systems at the same time.

That sucks, they can easily use that as an argument for the whole "sharing" aspect. However you could still recycle it to osmeone else if you give up your license to it as well....
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:56 PM   #55
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Ok the tree. Windows is a transition media eh?

Windows isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Almost EVERY business runs windows, and they still have 80-85% of the market share. The other 15% is OSX, iOS, Linux, Android, Symbian, and Blackberry COMBINED.

But youre right, Windows is dead.
Windows isn't a transitional media... it was by far the standard for a long time, and will still be around for a while due to momentum. But the reality is, PCs are dead. Laptops are almost dead. The new era is mobile devices and SAAS/Cloud stuff. And Microsoft has yet to show they can create anything that will work in that space.

Case in point: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ell_PC_numbers

Apple sold more iPads than any PC maker sold PCs last year. What's Microsoft supposed to do when their entire empire is based on selling operating systems bundled to new PCs? MS doesn't even offer a tablet OS. Windows 8 *has* to be a massive success, or MS is out of business. Period. All those businesses you reference that run windows aren't giving MS money on any regular basis. They're still running windows XP for christsake.
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:59 PM   #56
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All those businesses you reference that run windows aren't giving MS money on any regular basis. They're still running windows XP for christsake.
guess you've never heard of servers, or exchange, or sharepoint, or sccm, or scom, or...

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Old 01-25-2012, 05:59 PM   #57
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Let the individual publication companies sell license keys for used games. Force Gamestop et al to actually sell the game at a discount when used to make up the difference, they can afford the reduced profit margin. Console manufacturers could include 3G connectivity in the price of the console like Amazon's Kindle, to get the internet connectivity requirements to handle the key authentications/sale.

/brainstorm
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:03 PM   #58
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I came in here to post this Real Steel screenshot that I saw on Reddit.

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Old 01-25-2012, 06:04 PM   #59
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****. I just bought a Dreamcast today.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:10 PM   #60
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I'll buy the games off you.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:11 PM   #61
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PC gaming is mostly for hardcore gaming nerds. The great thing about consoles is they appeal to seasoned and casual gamers. I don't even have a desktop in my house, and with the prevalence of ultrathin laptops and tablets that can do all the browsing/email activity that people need, you don't need a dedicated desk in your house with a giant loud PC tower under it with cables all over the place and a 24" monitor and separate speakers. On the other hand, my PS3 sits nicely in my entertainment center for whenever I want to use it.
But what about those of us that have our PC in our entertainment center next to our consoles and just have an HDMI cable going from the PC to our audio receiver (which then goes to the TV of course), with a wireless Xbox controller receiver and a wireless Xbox controller? Then your only argument is the driver issue, which I have had to update once in like 3 months? Beyond that, the graphics are much better from he PC than my aging Xbox can churn out these days. Your argument of consoles being better/easier to play than PCs is outdated.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:14 PM   #62
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Windows isn't a transitional media... it was by far the standard for a long time, and will still be around for a while due to momentum. But the reality is, PCs are dead. Laptops are almost dead. The new era is mobile devices and SAAS/Cloud stuff. And Microsoft has yet to show they can create anything that will work in that space.

Case in point: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ell_PC_numbers

Apple sold more iPads than any PC maker sold PCs last year. What's Microsoft supposed to do when their entire empire is based on selling operating systems bundled to new PCs? MS doesn't even offer a tablet OS. Windows 8 *has* to be a massive success, or MS is out of business. Period. All those businesses you reference that run windows aren't giving MS money on any regular basis. They're still running windows XP for christsake.
Windows 7 is a tablet OS...I know you are trolling, its hilarious.

I doubt MS is going to do the no used game thing. Sony already tried it and it didn't work out at all. All it likely is is someone mentioning it in a meeting, people wishing they could do it and then deciding not to do it. XBLA is about as close as they will get to not allowing used games on a system.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:16 PM   #63
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I'll buy the games off you.
Partially joking, but I'm just starting up my Dreamcast collection. I'm slowly ticking off the list of consoles I could never afford when I was a kid. Picked up Virtua Tennis, Crazy Taxi, Daytona USA 2001, and a VGA box to go along with it.

On another somewhat related note, it's damn near impossible to find a good replacement DVD drive for the original Xbox now.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:23 PM   #64
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Shenmue. Be about it.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:29 PM   #65
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Actually, I'm a software engineer that works pretty much exclusively on windows. MS can go ahead and keep selling their expensive license agreements for that sorta stuff, and they'll stay in business for a long while. But they need to use that time to sort out how to come up with something people really want to spend money on before businesses wise up, or they're doomed to be relegated to being a 2nd tier tech company. And lately, Microsoft's track record for innovative new products is dismal.

Seriously, name one new MS product that people are interested in.

- Windows 7? Runs on PCs only, PCs are rapidly getting replaced by phones/tablets.
- Win Phone 7? Crushed by Apple and Android.
- Azure? Not on par with Amazon or Google, and too expensive.
- Bing? Everything I know about Bing I learned by doing a Google search for "Bing".
- Server 2010? Expensive. Only worth it if you've got a big existing windows code base... Linux steals the new development these days.
- Exchange, Sharepoint, Lync, Visual Studio, etc? Not bad products, but if you can run your enterprise on Linux, or Java in the cloud, why would you bother with these products? Or at least, why would you bother to upgrade to new versions of these products?
- SCCM/SCOM? I've never used them 'cause I'm not in IT. They might be awesome, but they're dependent on people wanting to continue developing new enterprise/cloud applications targeting Windows. I know from experience, no one wants to target a new system on windows if they can help it, if only for licensing costs. The ability to interop via stuff like ESB's means people can develop on pretty much anything these days.

I'm not saying Microsoft is going to disappear over night. But they're starting to feel an awful lot like IBM in terms of cutting edge relevance in the tech marketplace. At least from a home user and as an enterprise/systems developer, things look dire. But you IT guys are going to get to live with MS's software for the next decade at least. Enjoy managing legacy systems.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:35 PM   #66
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Windows 7 is a tablet OS...I know you are trolling, its hilarious.
Just because you can get Win7 on a tablet does not make it a tablet OS. Most importantly, it doesn't matter if it's a "tablet OS" if all the software it runs expects a mouse and keyboard for its interface.

And yes, I'm trolling in terms of hyperbole, but not so much in terms of the point I'm making.
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I'm not saying Microsoft is going to disappear over night.
you mean, other than where you said:
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Seriously, name one new MS product that people are interested in.

- Windows 7? Runs on PCs only, PCs are rapidly getting replaced by phones/tablets.
no they aren't. they're being replaced by laptops; laptops that primarily run windows 7.

and btw you can run windows 7 on any intel-based chipset (like that of, say, a mac).

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- Server 2010? Expensive. Only worth it if you've got a big existing windows code base... Linux steals the new development these days.
the government and military generally don't like open source, nor at this point would it make any sense to completely revamp their infrastructure just to support linux on an enterprise level. and cloud computing? lol. maybe one day. probably never as far as the DoD is concerned. ever see what happens during a CMI (classified message incident) or other data spill? it ain't pretty.

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Old 01-25-2012, 07:23 PM   #68
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If they won't let you play used games (which included rented games, I imagine), then I will absolutely not be buying this system.

$60 is way too much as it is, and I'm certainly not spending it on a game I just want to play for a little while and send back to GameFly. If this is the direction the next generation of consoles is headed, it may be time for me to retire as a gamer and find a new hobby.
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Says the dude with a middle-school level pun for a username.

Case in point: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ell_PC_numbers

Apple sold more iPads than any PC maker sold PCs last year. What's Microsoft supposed to do when their entire empire is based on selling operating systems bundled to new PCs? MS doesn't even offer a tablet OS. Windows 8 *has* to be a massive success, or MS is out of business. Period. All those businesses you reference that run windows aren't giving MS money on any regular basis. They're still running windows XP for christsake.
Says the dude that didn't even capitalize his user name.

The tablet jab is a moot point.

Of course there was more sold then PC's cause people are all about mobility and ease of use.

Most iPad users either have no need for a desktop/laptop, or already have a desktop/laptop.

So the fact there was more sold means just about nothing.
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you mean, other than where you said:

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no they aren't. they're being replaced by laptops; laptops that primarily run windows 7.

and btw you can run windows 7 on any intel-based chipset (like that of, say, a mac).



the government and military generally don't like open source, nor at this point would it make any sense to completely revamp their infrastructure just to support linux on an enterprise level. and cloud computing? lol. maybe one day. probably never as far as the DoD is concerned. ever see what happens during a CMI (classified message incident) or other data spill? it ain't pretty.



clearly.
DoD is doing cloud computing, its an initiative they're being forced into right now. There is a $100 mil program the gov't is going towards, with companies like MS and Google having tons of issues being able to do it. It centers around whatever will get the job done.
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:40 PM   #73
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If they won't let you play used games (which included rented games, I imagine), then I will absolutely not be buying this system.

$60 is way too much as it is, and I'm certainly not spending it on a game I just want to play for a little while and send back to GameFly. If this is the direction the next generation of consoles is headed, it may be time for me to retire as a gamer and find a new hobby.
I seriously doubt they will lock out the ability to play used or rented games, entirely.

I'll bet it ends up a situation where there is an authentication key packed in each new case that will allow you to use the online features of any new game that has it. Once that's used on your console you, or the new/second hand purchaser, of the game would be directed to the XBL marketplace to purchase a new authentication code for between $5-$20 dollars to play the used game online. Don't plan on playing online? Then you don't need to worry about the key.

That would be fine with me. I prefer to play single player non-online games anyway.
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Ahh, yeah they're already kinda doing that with multiplayer packs. I don't play online much so that doesn't bother me too badly.
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But what about those of us that have our PC in our entertainment center next to our consoles and just have an HDMI cable going from the PC to our audio receiver (which then goes to the TV of course), with a wireless Xbox controller receiver and a wireless Xbox controller? Then your only argument is the driver issue, which I have had to update once in like 3 months? Beyond that, the graphics are much better from he PC than my aging Xbox can churn out these days. Your argument of consoles being better/easier to play than PCs is outdated.
One of the biggest advantages to PC gaming is the ability to use the mouse and keyboard. I've tried it dozens of times, but it simply can't work when you're sitting on the coach or a big lazy boy. So you've negated the main advantage.
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