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Old 03-20-2005, 02:07 AM   #1
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OK, so I'm trying to get my suspension set up plans laid out and hopefully purchased soon. I'm going with the Whiteline springs and the GR-2s. I was leaning towards the iON Performance springs but the price is much more attractive on the Whitelines. Can someone please fill me in on if I will need new tophats (WRX, Group N) and if so where they can be found, or anything else I'll need to buy. And yes, I have searched and I'm still confused Thanks guys.

FWIW 18in Tarmac 2s will be going on later in the summer.
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Old 03-20-2005, 12:35 PM   #2
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I just installed Whiteline springs and GR-2s on my BE and like the result. The part # you need for the the front springs is 70198. You will not need Impreza upper spring cups.
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Old 03-20-2005, 07:37 PM   #3
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Thanks, I wonder if there is an advantage of going with the WRX/Group N tophats is...?
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Old 03-20-2005, 08:39 PM   #4
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Legacy Strut tops/mounts

It'll firm things up that much more... they're more important when going w/ a _stiffer_ strut/spring combo such as Ver6 struts, AGX, coilovers, ground controls etc.... helps eliminate bounce/flex in the softer top hats when loaded by the other uprated suspension bits. these will add a bit of NVH, but... that's part of the deal. Probably not as critical w/ the GR2 and Whiteline combo...as they're a more mellow setup, while much bedda than stock.

You can get the Sti strut tops from many vendors... I purchased new rears for my BD Gt (same as '02 wrx) from Gruppe-S. I'm currently in the process of replacing my ver6 struts w/ GR2's, and will be putting in new Sti mounts in the front, as well as new rubber perch seats etc., with the Whiteline Control combo. I'm buying this stuff from Jamie at subarugenuineparts.com

IMHO new bushings, rubber/mounts, etc. complete the package. If you're going to do the labor, or pay for it, do it right with new quality bits, the first time around. I wish I had not tried to save a $ or $$ by putting in the used ver6 struts the first go around. New springs w/ New rear mounts were good... but the struts showed the wear b4 too long.

Good luck... post pics of your BE w/ the Whitelines... interested in the lowering results. Should be good.
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Old 03-21-2005, 12:06 AM   #5
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snowone~Thanks!! You cleared everything up for me. I'll post pics in a month or so hopefully.
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Old 03-21-2005, 03:16 AM   #6
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MitchGT - Be very careful with your tire choice if you're going with the WL's. Overtime they're know to sag, and will cause rubbing. One of our local customers (the one w/ the '03 LGT) ended up blowing a set of GR-2's and wrecking the shoulders on a set of tires with the WL springs after ~1/2 year of use. Hence the reason why they'd switched to our Sport Spec springs.

If you're not in a hurry to lower your car, we're going to open up our GB we're currently having on Legacygt.com to BE/BH owners as well. For more info ->
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showt...newpost&t=9239
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Old 03-21-2005, 07:41 AM   #7
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thanks for the heads up iON. I'm not in a huge hurry so let us know when that group buy extends to us BE/BH guys.
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Old 03-21-2005, 08:20 AM   #8
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thanks for the heads up iON. I'm not in a huge hurry so let us know when that group buy extends to us BE/BH guys.

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Old 03-21-2005, 09:36 AM   #9
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I'll probably wait until Omahasubaru lets us know how things turned out on his wife's L with the iON springs.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:20 AM   #10
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MitchGT - Be very careful with your tire choice if you're going with the WL's. Overtime they're know to sag, and will cause rubbing. One of our local customers (the one w/ the '03 LGT) ended up blowing a set of GR-2's and wrecking the shoulders on a set of tires with the WL springs after ~1/2 year of use. Hence the reason why they'd switched to our Sport Spec springs.

If you're not in a hurry to lower your car, we're going to open up our GB we're currently having on Legacygt.com to BE/BH owners as well. For more info ->
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showt...newpost&t=9239
I have to agree with Ion on this one. The Whiteline springs do not match stock, or stock replacement (GR2, slightly better but still considered a stock replacement SPORT shock) shocks. They also tend to sag, QUICKLY. At least with the BE/BH you have a fair bit of room for tires in terms of rubbing but also consider the lower your car goes the more camber you will get in the rear and rear camber is NOT adjustable, unlss you do camber bolts, ar adjustable camber top/mounts which are huge dough. For only a little more it is well worth getting some H&R springs, or Prodrive (basically same spring as HR). But it's your choice what you get, just warning you ahead of time.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:26 AM   #11
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Tora~ I've been reading some of your posts and have seen some of the pics of BEs on H & R springs and now I'm leaning that way. Thanks for the input.
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MitchGT - No problem, we're going to be revising the details for the GB shortly. If you want to go lower then our Sport Specs, then your ownly "good choice" would be the H&R's.
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Details on our GB have been revised to include BE/BH owners

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showt...newpost&t=9239
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Tora~ I've been reading some of your posts and have seen some of the pics of BEs on H & R springs and now I'm leaning that way. Thanks for the input.
No problem, I just hate seeing people buy something because it's cheap and regretting it and spending MORE money down the road. I made the mistake and would like to steer other people clear of it if possible.
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No problem, I just hate seeing people buy something because it's cheap and regretting it and spending MORE money down the road. I made the mistake and would like to steer other people clear of it if possible.
That is the exact reason why we don't design things to be made cheap, but design things that are functional and perform. We've seen too many people getting cheap parts for the sake of being inexpensive. In the end, they end up paying more then they would've with something of higher quality in the first place.


tora - Jamie, how are things going @ RR?
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Clarification, Tora: Are you saying that the Gr2 sag "quickly", or the Whiteline Springs?

Whiteline makes fine products. My impression of the sag issues using the whiteline springs, was isolated to earlier versions, especially w/ the flat-outs vs. the controls. That or people comboing the impreza spec AGX w/ Whitlines on the BD.

But maybe the BE/BH experience differs from the BD/BG. Also... am I mistaken that Whiteline recommneds their springs being matched up with the KYB product? Doesn' t the HR spring have higher rates w/ more drop, equalling an even lesser match up w/ GR2/AGX? Again... maybe this is all a diff. from BD/BG results? The classic stories I remember were blown AGX from running HR's.

Cost cutting on such an important part of your setup is definately not the best idea. Many are saying the same thing from experience--do it right the first go around.
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