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Old 01-23-2022, 10:33 PM   #5001
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In my 1994 Legacy my alternator died while driving down from Big Bear in the San Bernardino Mountains. I lost power steering, power brakes luckily I was only doing about 45 mph and was able to slow the car down by pumping the brakes and pulling up the ebrake handle and pulling off in a parking lot. Not sure how that would have worked in a car with an electronic ebrake.
Manus are no longer thinking like this with design. They are making cars like phones now. Long term use? Not a chance in hell.
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Nostalgia. Not sure if you think I'm like 12 or something, but I learned manual driving without all of those things. Had my golfR for 2 years and never once missed a hand brake.

I'm not here to get into a pissing match about winter driving. Cool that you like to use the ebrake. But it's going to go away in all cars eventually. Just like manual transmissions. I'm just saying that the manual means more to me than the hand ebrake, and I think that 99.9% of other drivers would agree.
It's not Nostalgia if you are currently experiencing a thing & it's still available. Nostalgia would be if I were on here waxing poetic about buying a car with a carburetor and a time before seatbelt laws. Mechanical handbrakes are still available in modern cars, as are manual transmission, yes both are going away, manual trans will likely outlive the mechanical handbrake. ICE is going away too, but you're not being nostalgic by buying one instead of an EV.

The winter driving example wasn't to initial a crossing of the streams, it was just a timely example from like ~2 weeks ago; mechanical handbrakes are still relevant, so are manual transmissions. I will continue to seek them out until I can no longer find them. I don't care about, nor did I make a reference to your age. to your 99.9% "statistic" - 97.6% of people don't care enough to drive a car with a manual (or purchase vehicles where it isn't a option) as only 2.4% of sales in the US are cars equipped with a manual transmission.
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I don't like having a manual hand brake when E-brake exists. E-brake is much easier to use IMO. Some manual cars needed them because of roll-back.
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Manus are no longer thinking like this with design. They are making cars like phones now. Long term use? Not a chance in hell.
True. And to be fair, the MTFB of a lot of components increased drastically. But some key systems should remain de-coupled from the power supply. Steering works w/o engine or electrical power; so should all brakes without reverting to a default "brake on" switch.

The large infotaiment/HVAC dash is also a mistake IMHO. Single point of failure for a critical system - defogging and defrosting. Anecodtal occurence, but there is a local Legacy here where the screen/system froze (reboot tentatives failed), on a winter morning. The owner couldn't go to work because the car was unsafe to drive.
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This is my personal pet-peeve. That roll-back is cringe worthy. I hate it when people I know do it, and I hate it on TV/Movies when you see the actor didn't apply the parking brake. You are always supposed to set it. Don't ask the parking gear to hold the car in place.
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I always use (mechanical) Ebrake on my CVT in my subaru. Don't want pressure on the gear/belt.
guys, there's such a thing as a parking pawl in an automatic transmission.

they are going to be on the output shaft of the transmission.

if you're parking on a SF style incline, sure, use your parking brake.

if you're parking in the street and expect someone to rear end you hard enough to move your vehicle, sure, use your parking brake.


they are more than adequate at holding a vehicle in 90% of parking situations. certainly on flat and level ground in a parking lot, or driveway.

granted it's been nearly 25 years at this point, but I was a transmission tech at a Ford dealership, so I was highly specialized in automatic transmissions, which I guess gives me a bit more insight on the subject than most might have, and by all means, you do you, but it's just not a necessary thing to do with the parking brake in an automatic transmission.

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guys, there's such a thing as a parking pawl in an automatic transmission.

they are going to be on the output shaft of the transmission.

if you're parking on a SF style incline, sure, use your parking brake.

if you're parking in the street and expect someone to rear end you hard enough to move your vehicle, sure, use your parking brake.

Ford Transmission Tips: #1 Parking Pawls- What They Are & How They Work - YouTube

they are more than adequate at holding a vehicle in 90% of parking situations. certainly on flat and level ground in a parking lot, or driveway.

granted it's been nearly 25 years at this point, but I was a transmission tech at a Ford dealership, so I was highly specialized in automatic transmissions, which I guess gives me a bit more insight on the subject than most might have, and by all means, you do you, but it's just not a necessary thing to do with the parking brake in an automatic transmission.
Sounds about right. My dad drives 12'Sienna and 15'Odyssey vans since he bought new, and he never actually used manual parking brake.
Manual cars do not have a parking gear, so the parking brake is needed on them.
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