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Old 08-24-2021, 10:26 AM   #801
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My guess it will be around a $4k premium, at least. Based on base 370z vs Sport trims.
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:11 AM   #802
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My guess it will be around a $4k premium, at least. Based on base 370z vs Sport trims.
I'm good with that.

Upgraded cooling, brakes, suspension, LSD, wheels/tires, infotainment and seats/interior trim and im sure more I'm missing. Lets say base starts at $39,999, if they can keep the performance at/around $45K thats more than worth it to me.

Now the big challenge of figuring out how to wedge a 2 seater into my family situation
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Old 08-24-2021, 12:26 PM   #803
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I'm good with that.

Upgraded cooling, brakes, suspension, LSD, wheels/tires, infotainment and seats/interior trim and im sure more I'm missing. Lets say base starts at $39,999, if they can keep the performance at/around $45K thats more than worth it to me.

Now the big challenge of figuring out how to wedge a 2 seater into my family situation
Liquidate a few family members?

Just kidding.
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Old 08-25-2021, 10:57 AM   #804
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...ura-interview/

If they put half as much effort into making it fun to drive as say, Toyota/Subaru put into the 86 and BRZ, I think it'll really be hard to fault the car. A base price of $40k will be a little disappointing to me, but considering how it's equipped it's pretty reasonable.

If I could ask this guy anything and get a 100% honest answer, it would be "if you made a new platform for this car from scratch, how might it be different?" My guess is it wouldn't be different at all, except probably a little lighter.
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Old 08-25-2021, 02:12 PM   #805
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Liquidate a few family members?

Just kidding.
Was talking with my wife about it and she had the nerve to say "i guess I'll have to drive it most of the time then"

In that moment, I thought about liquidating.
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Old 08-25-2021, 02:35 PM   #806
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As far as the rear ends. If we go by the previous gen hardware, it's an R200 and the LSD is pretty bad. It's a VLSD and it's unpredictable and then stops working when it ages. The rest of the sport package is worth is though, mostly for the brakes. But people who actually track these cars (again, looking at past generations), use an aftermarket LSD. On mine, I have a Wavetrack and it is night and day between that and the VLSD. This is a popular upgrade:

https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...l-p-11644.html
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Old 08-25-2021, 02:39 PM   #807
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If they put half as much effort into making it fun to drive as say, Toyota/Subaru put into the 86 and BRZ, I think it'll really be hard to fault the car. A base price of $40k will be a little disappointing to me, but considering how it's equipped it's pretty reasonable.

If I could ask this guy anything and get a 100% honest answer, it would be "if you made a new platform for this car from scratch, how might it be different?" My guess is it wouldn't be different at all, except probably a little lighter.
I expect modest improvement but that chassis has been around for almost 20 years so most of the performance has been extracted over the years. As far as I know almost all the underpinnings are carried over so the tweeks will be based on shock, springs, bushings, and rubber. Just not sure how much difference you can get out of those changes. Modest improvement I'm sure but I wouldn't expect it to drive considerably different than a 370Z.
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Old 08-25-2021, 03:50 PM   #808
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I expect modest improvement but that chassis has been around for almost 20 years so most of the performance has been extracted over the years. As far as I know almost all the underpinnings are carried over so the tweeks will be based on shock, springs, bushings, and rubber. Just not sure how much difference you can get out of those changes. Modest improvement I'm sure but I wouldn't expect it to drive considerably different than a 370Z.
This is true. I think the negative impressions of 350 and 370Z handling come from the overall concepts of those cars and their time. I think they tried to make them as quick and "sporty" as possible, which led to what can only be described as twitchy cars. They seemed to always be fighting their weight.

Really the sky should be the limit when you've got double wishbone front and multi-link rear suspension to play with. Particularly if you have freedom to make new control arms and such, should be able to make it do whatever you want. With the current industry hotness being sports cars that are "fun" and not just fast, and this guy basically spelling out what he wants the auto journos to say to that tune verbatim, you'd hope they get most of the way there in the end.
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Old 08-25-2021, 04:01 PM   #809
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I expect modest improvement but that chassis has been around for almost 20 years so most of the performance has been extracted over the years. As far as I know almost all the underpinnings are carried over so the tweeks will be based on shock, springs, bushings, and rubber. Just not sure how much difference you can get out of those changes. Modest improvement I'm sure but I wouldn't expect it to drive considerably different than a 370Z.
From what I have read they change quite a bit on the suspension mounting points outwards. There is a lot more Camber adjustment, the clutch has changed from a inboard to a CSM setup, and many of the control units are now aluminum.
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Old 08-25-2021, 04:52 PM   #810
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There's no level of performance that will satisfy people who hate Nissan tho.
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Old 09-01-2021, 01:41 AM   #811
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I guess put me in the Z camp. So purty.
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Old 09-01-2021, 01:46 AM   #812
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The more I look at the Z, the more I prefer it over the Supra.
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Old 09-01-2021, 07:44 AM   #813
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I guess put me in the Z camp. So purty.
The rear end and side profile look fantastic. The front, although not bad, could use some massaging.
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The rear end and side profile look fantastic. The front, although not bad, could use some massaging.

Feel the same. Supposed to look better in person. Either way I'm not going poop on it until driving reviews, etc. Musical chairs have started and after these FMC's, goodbye ICE performance 6MT affordable. I have a Nissan, and it's the best car I have ever owned. Zero dealer visits outside of schedule. Some of their models, I will admit, are trash, but others are fantastic. It's model specific, not brand specific.
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Old 09-01-2021, 08:38 AM   #815
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Body colored door handles; finally.
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:00 AM   #816
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Body colored door handles; finally.
Funny you say that. I always thought the satin aluminum looking handles were awesome. I loved mine on my 350z. These look kind of lame/cheap in comparison to me.

The rest of the car looks great though. Wish I had room for one in my garage. Maybe in a few years.
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:06 AM   #817
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Feel the same. Supposed to look better in person. Either way I'm not going poop on it until driving reviews, etc. Musical chairs have started and after these FMC's, goodbye ICE performance 6MT affordable. I have a Nissan, and it's the best car I have ever owned. Zero dealer visits outside of schedule. Some of their models, I will admit, are trash, but others are fantastic. It's model specific, not brand specific.
People poo-poo on Nissan Quality, but the past two I have owned have lasted 250K+ and 120k+ (and still going) miles with almost zero issues.
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CVT transmission?
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CVT transmission?
Only on 1 of them. The 120K Murano AWD. We have owned it since new. Once adjustment at 100K miles.
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People poo-poo on Nissan Quality, but the past two I have owned have lasted 250K+ and 120k+ (and still going) miles with almost zero issues.
I've had two Nissan products, and they were both crap. Transmissions were slow and terrible. One vehicle had two wheel bearings fail before 75k miles.
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The rear end and side profile look fantastic. The front, although not bad, could use some massaging.
I agree. The rear looks nicely styled but the front is bland. Not ugly, but bland. The Supra isn't a good looking car IMO.
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People poo-poo on Nissan Quality, but the past two I have owned have lasted 250K+ and 120k+ (and still going) miles with almost zero issues.

I don't have that kind of mileage, no where near it, but I'm at 7.5 years on the Leaf, and it was overbuilt. Range sucks, but they were first for the Japanese and pretty everyone sans Tesla. There is a forum from them, and it's pretty universal "bulletproof". Nevermind that the first 3 years I leased mine before I bought it and since day 1 I've driven it like a sportscar. It tops out at 93/94 mph and it's actually pretty light so 70-80 through corners is no problem. I'm hoping a replacement battery pack of 150 miles is offered at some point and if so I'll keep driving it and hopefully make a 20 year DD out of it.
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The rear end and side profile look fantastic. The front, although not bad, could use some massaging.
I'm sure the aftermarket will get started on that soon if they haven't already.
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I'm drawn to the simplicity of the front and how much it actually looks like the original Z without the regulation bumper bar.

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Old 09-01-2021, 01:01 PM   #825
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First mod - black vinyl'ing the long chrome roofline trim thingy, perhaps.
Second mod - finding a nice splitter setup for the front, which, I think, could do wonders, aesthetically.
Not sure of approach angles though - that's some mean overhang.
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