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Old 01-10-2020, 02:49 PM   #76
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No on the 4 doors. Yes on the USA. Yes on Subaru becoming more irrelevant with this.

Toyota's stealing whatever lunch you have left Subaru. Damn shame when you cater to the big and old people.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:03 PM   #77
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Subaru would put an EJ25 in there anyways.

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Good way to put it. I'm surprised there's not more hype about this but I guess no US kills any interest on NASIOC.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:21 PM   #78
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Subaru would put an EJ25 in there anyways.

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Old 01-10-2020, 07:52 PM   #79
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Head gaskets are maintenance items!
But certainly not turbo oil line filter screens! Those are good forever!
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:56 PM   #80
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I would buy this car so fast. Been waiting for Subaru to get off their ass to give the USDM something to be excited about... this right here has the wheel base of a GD STI and slightly shorter than one, as it is a hatch. Also weighs more in line of a GC WRX/STI. Basically a new age WRX/STI hatch, just not a Subaru.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:01 PM   #81
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But certainly not turbo oil line filter screens! Those are good forever!
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:27 PM   #82
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I love that they put the IRS from the Corolla HB in this Yaris versus the twist beam. It really seems like they said ď**** it, been a while since we built a legendary vehicle.Ē The extent of the changes for WRC homologation just makes me so happy.
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Old 01-11-2020, 11:25 AM   #83
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It would be what, $40k? I'd buy it as a third car - it would put a smile on your face every time you take it out, and it would be worth $40k 10 years later.

Tuned 3 cylinders can sound awesome - can't tell from the videos how it sounds though.

You can thank the US government for why it won't come here - it would cost too much to certify it.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:21 PM   #84
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:38 PM   #85
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^ whatís wrong with that centre diff clutch pack?

Iím really loving this Yaris GR... current WRX power, significantly lower weight, AWD with a better f/r torque split possible, and manual? Itís all sorts of yummy to me. I wonder if Toyota would show love to Canada and bring it up here... though I doubt it.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:44 PM   #86
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Rally Posi bro
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Iíd still like to get a bit more info on how itís working/implementation before judging based on that pic. Thereís more at play with the different awd settings available to the driver.
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No on the 4 doors. Yes on the USA. Yes on Subaru becoming more irrelevant with this.

Toyota's stealing whatever lunch you have left Subaru. Damn shame when you cater to the big and old people.
Nah, Toyota knows 3 door, 3 bangers, don't sell in the U.S., so it's stealing nothing from Subaru.
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Old 01-11-2020, 07:51 PM   #89
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Nah, Toyota knows 3 door, 3 bangers, don't sell in the U.S., so it's stealing nothing from Subaru.
Agreed. It would very minimal if any impact on Subaru sales in the US.
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Probably doesn't have a chance in hell, but here's a petition to bring the GR Yaris to NA.

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^ whatís wrong with that centre diff clutch pack?

Iím really loving this Yaris GR... current WRX power, significantly lower weight, AWD with a better f/r torque split possible, and manual? Itís all sorts of yummy to me. I wonder if Toyota would show love to Canada and bring it up here... though I doubt it.
They have to make 25,000 for homologation rules, right? I can't see they'll sell that many just in Europe and Japan. Not many will sell in Japan these days.
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They have to make 25,000 for homologation rules, right? I can't see they'll sell that many just in Europe and Japan. Not many will sell in Japan these days.
They have to sell 25k within a 12month period. Or at least make that many, not sure on exact specifics. So 25k have to be made of a $35,000+ Yaris. Yeah I don't know how they can sell that many in 12months, without bringing it to NA.

I really hope they do and just don't make us wait for a Corolla GR. Which will be cool as well, but Toyota wouldn't have reasons to modify the chassis to such lengths as did with the Yaris GR over the standard Yaris. Hell they lowered the roofline 91mm from a stock Yaris, that is huge.
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I need a modern 323 GTX in my life.
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They have to sell 25k within a 12month period. Or at least make that many, not sure on exact specifics. So 25k have to be made of a $35,000+ Yaris. Yeah I don't know how they can sell that many in 12months, without bringing it to NA.

I really hope they do and just don't make us wait for a Corolla GR. Which will be cool as well, but Toyota wouldn't have reasons to modify the chassis to such lengths as did with the Yaris GR over the standard Yaris. Hell they lowered the roofline 91mm from a stock Yaris, that is huge.
I simply don't see how that is possible to do in 12 months. In a 5 year span, sure. I haven't read up on the specifics, but isn't the homologation just on the chassis? Track, height, wheelbase, length. As long as they sell 25k of that body, they would likely meet the requirement. I figure they could sell a pretty large number with a GR Sport trim (1.2T, 1.6 hybrid, 2.0 hybrid, fwd, etc). But yea, full bore GR Yaris... there is no way they can move that many in a single year without NA. Even NA number will probably account for fewer than 10k.
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They have to make 25,000 for homologation rules, right? I can't see they'll sell that many just in Europe and Japan. Not many will sell in Japan these days.
EDIT: Yep, 25,000 seems to be the quoted number.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ck-news-photo/

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To support that high-performance design brief, Evo reports that the Yaris GR-4 will have a new suspension design, new axles, and like we mentioned above, a wider rear track. Those changes were likely mandated by requirements for the rally car, but since they're substantial modifications to the standard Yaris, Toyota will have to homologate the car by producing 25,000 road-going Yaris GR-4s in 2020.
Man, that sounds impossibly high, especially without North American markets.

For reference, Group A rally cars in the 90s required 2,500 (it was originally 5,000 before 1993) of the homologation special out of at least 25,000 for the parent model. For example, 2,500 STIs out of 25,000 Imprezas or 2,500 Evos out of 25,000 Lancers. So 25,000 Yaris GR-4s in a year just sounds crazy.

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They have to sell 25k within a 12month period. Or at least make that many, not sure on exact specifics. So 25k have to be made of a $35,000+ Yaris. Yeah I don't know how they can sell that many in 12months, without bringing it to NA.

I really hope they do and just don't make us wait for a Corolla GR. Which will be cool as well, but Toyota wouldn't have reasons to modify the chassis to such lengths as did with the Yaris GR over the standard Yaris. Hell they lowered the roofline 91mm from a stock Yaris, that is huge.
Yeah, If that's true about 25k, that would assure it comes here. They'd be lucky to sell 15k of them in Japan and Europe.
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Got a source on that 25,000? Because now everyone's discussing that number and I don't see that production/homologation number anywhere. It's also being built at a specialist plant (where they built the LFA) using ďa large number of manual processesĒ by a specialist team, so 25k sounds really high. Like, impossibly high for such a vehicle.

For reference, Group A rally cars in the 90s required 2,500 (it was originally 5,000 before 1993) of the homologation special out of at least 25,000 for the parent model. For example, 2,500 STIs out of 25,000 Imprezas or 2,500 Evos out of 25,000 Lancers. So 25,000 Yaris GR-4s just sounds wrong.
EVO mentions it, sounds like because it's too different from the Yaris, it doesn't count as a Yaris, thus 25k will need to be built. Yeah, I don't buy it, I dno't think they'd make it if that was the requirement.

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Why go to all the effort and expense of re-engineering things such as the roofline and axles for a homologation special? Gazoo Racingís 2020 Yaris WRC car differs so much from the standard Yaris that this homologation model will need to be produced. In contrast to old Group N WRC rules, which required a limited number of closely related road-going examples to be produced in order to comply (think early Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or Subaru WRX), todayís rules allow a wider chasm between the road and rally versions. However, venture outside these limitations, as Toyota Gazoo Racing has done, and a large production run is required to homologate the race car.

As such, the GR Yaris will not be limited to just a few hundred units, instead Toyota will need to produce a full 25,000 next year in order to comply with WRC regulations.
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EVO mentions it, sounds like because it's too different from the Yaris, it doesn't count as a Yaris, thus 25k will need to be built. Yeah, I don't buy it, I dno't think they'd make it if that was the requirement.

https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/yaris/2...gation-special
You beat my ninja edit.

Agreed, that seems to be correct, but that's craziness. That's 10x what the old Group A homologation rules were for WRC in the 90s. One of the best parts of homologation specials is that they're produced in limited numbers and prices reflect that long term.
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You beat my ninja edit.

Agreed, that seems to be correct, but that's craziness. That's 10x what the old Group A homologation rules were for WRC in the 90s. One of the best parts of homologation specials is that they're produced in limited numbers and prices reflect that long term.
My guess is either they'll work it out, so only 2500 need to be made, or they won't race it. No way they'll make 25,000, they can't sell that many even with the US market. Although does it need to be per year? Can't it be over the lifetime of the race car?
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My guess is either they'll work it out, so only 2500 need to be made, or they won't race it. No way they'll make 25,000, they can't sell that many even with the US market. Although does it need to be per year? Can't it be over the lifetime of the race car?
Toyota's global press release states 25,000 in 12 months. Go to the bottom to asterik item #1
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389.html
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