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Old 01-16-2020, 04:04 PM   #126
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According to Road and Track, 25,000 number is of the base car and 2,500 of the actual homologation car. The thinking is that the standard Yaris hatch is enough to hit the 25,000 units and the GR will do 2,500.
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According to Road and Track, 25,000 number is of the base car and 2,500 of the actual homologation car. The thinking is that the standard Yaris hatch is enough to hit the 25,000 units and the GR will do 2,500.
According to the R&T article today, the GR Yaris is different enough from the base Yaris model that Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ation-special/
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:17 PM   #128
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This part made me laugh:
" It's clear that Toyota wants to be a real performance brand, and it's committed to making fast cars on its own, true to its DNA. Something to celebrate."

Basically Toyota is saying they will make 1 cheaper end performance car all on their own but rely on partnerships for everything else. Maybe they learned their lesson on the crap selling Poopra.
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:15 PM   #129
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The older cars you're talking about felt very raw and mechanical - today the carmakers seem obsessed with refinement and going fast while feeling slow - those aren't priorities for me. It killed BMWs as driver's cars.
Bingo. This kinda all started with the R35. A car that put numbers first and driving experience second (or lower). But the numbers were crazy and created big time hype (along with it being the first US GTR, of course). But the numbers were larger than life. Faster than a Ferrari! And for $65k! And here we are a decade later and it's cars like Tesla doing the same thing. Hyperbolic acceleration figures but it drives like a refrigerator.

BMWs and Porsches are faster than ever and while I have little no experience behind the wheel in anger, the general consensus is they are softer and less engaging than they used to be. No comparison.

This is a present day 2020 car, though, but being a homologation special to go racing, I hope/expect it can retain some of that rally DNA like the old Group A cars of old. I haven't been this excited about a car since the Focus RS brought the AWD/turbo/manual/hatchback combo to our shores once again.

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According to the R&T article today, the GR Yaris is different enough from the base Yaris model that Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ation-special/
Yeah, everything I've seen (after my original disbelief of the 25k) has specifically stated that the GR4 has been changed enough from the base Yaris that it needs 25k homologation models itself. They obviously knew this going in but man, that's a high number! Once again, for reference, the 90s WRC cars we all grew up loving required 2,500 homologation models to be built out of a total 25,000 for the base model (eg 2,500 STIs/Evos out of 25,000 Imprezas/Lancers). So they have to build 10x as many GR4s as Subaru/Mitsu (and others) built in the 90s. I couldn't believe that was right at first but everything I've seen thus far confirms it, and it gives me a glimmer of hope they'll have to bring to NA to sell that many.
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:34 PM   #130
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According to the R&T article today, the GR Yaris is different enough from the base Yaris model that Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ation-special/


Good catch. I blazed right through that comment. SMH.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:14 PM   #132
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According to the R&T article today, the GR Yaris is different enough from the base Yaris model that Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ation-special/
I wonder if Toyota knows this, lol.

Even if they sell it in the US, there's just no way they sell 25,000 tiny hatchbacks at $40k each. No way. Besides the 10 of us in the thread of course.

PS It occured to me they could sell cheaper versions of the GR4 - same body but without the diffs, maybe less power etc - those would still qualify as part of the 25k.

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Maybe they learned their lesson on the crap selling Poopra.
Is it selling badly? Seems to get good reviews.

It's probably cause people bought the old Supras to keep them 20 years. People lease BMWs and get rid of them after 3 years.
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I haven't even driven a CTR because I can't get past the looks...if they made a toned down wingless version, which would be doable since a lot of the big fugly fake vents are fake, I'd probably go for it.

But if the GR-4 is priced in range of the CTR they're in trouble. It's a much smaller vehicle and consumers will see it as such.
You canít see all the vents if you get the CTR in black

My guess though is if the GR-4 came here the engine would be less powerful due to the emissions required here. Still, even if it was 220ish itíd be a hoot.

Iíve owned and driven a good number of higher powered FWD cars. Theyíre fun, but I think 220-250 is about the limit without super trick diffs and suspension wizardry. And even then the first few gears are full of throttle modulation. 3rd and up is fun though, and honestly thatís where you spend most of your time. AWD and RWD are more fun in the south though, so Iím mildly ruined and likely wonít own another FWD car with over 200 hp again.
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Is it selling badly? Seems to get good reviews.

It's probably cause people bought the old Supras to keep them 20 years. People lease BMWs and get rid of them after 3 years.
I think itís still in the ďitís new so everyone wants to own oneĒ phase. Once that dies down I donít think itíll sell well. It had poor sales at the end of itís run last time because of the price then.

Iím glad to see Toyota dabbling in the sporty car market again, but wish they werenít so risk adverse. All the joint ventures seem to suffer from the double committee review so you get an even more watered down version. But maybe itís the Toyota side thatís holding it back, who knows.
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That's why I mentioned carburetors before. Older folks (yes, older than you ) said the same thing about cars getting over-cimplicated with fuel injection, needing a computer to diagnose codes and so on in the 80s and 90s. Now we're saying the same about the features and design of today's cars. And today's kids will be saying it in another 20 years, how raw and analog the 2020 STI was. It's all relative.

Today's cars are faster than ever, more reliable than ever and more fuel efficient than ever at the cost of more weight, more nannies/modes/settings/features and more safety.

A small 2dr hatch with AWD and a manual transmission and a performance-focused turbo engine in the year 2020 is one of the last of its kind.
Which is why I'd buy this car if they deliver it to the USDM.

And I'm not one of those people whining about fuel injection, just the opposite. I love it. My sport bikes, going to FI, man so much less work. No f'ing with carbs ever. It was a revelation. I switched over in 1999 and haven't looked back, once. Needing a code reader to diagnose, same, no issues, been that way forever now. I just hate ADAS because to me it's far from prime time. I've driven a number of vehicles with that crap turned on and wanted to ram the thing into a concrete embankment. I hate how many mfr's are forcing you or making it mandatory. "But you can turn it off" yeah you can but I had to pay for something I don't want. And ADAS locks certain aspects of the vehicle completely up, namely the headunit. Phone, computer, you can easily upgrade when the tech is obsolete or not supported. ADAS on your vehicle it's a big F U. Stuck with OEM equipment forever. "loaded with the latest tech", yeah until it's obsolete. The internet is so important now your vehicle has to be a wifi hotspot with a cellular connection? I think we are overdoing it a bit. It's why ADD is spreading like a forest fire.

More reliable than ever? I'd debate that in spades. See all the recalls and issues with many models across all mfr's? I'd say a big part of that is the vehicles are just too complex. They are already developing 4G/5G modems into vehicles that will track by cell tower, with radar, GPS positioning, I mean it's insane. It won't be long and every vehicle on the road will be "connected" to these systems, self aware, radar positioning amongst all the vehicles around you. Hi Skynet, insurance and .gov nannying you like a child. Reminds me of smartphones. Great as a tool, but most of what people do with them is an absolute and utter waste of time. The damn phones are a plague on society. Instead of passing laws ending that poor and discourteous behavior nah, instead we'll engineer vehicles to let these idiots surf while driving. A big chunk of technology is just being innovated to make people even lazier, less attentive, so they can focus on sitting more, doing less, and getting fatter by the minute. We are in a "convenience" society. People can't even be bothered to go buy their own groceries and produce now. I've listened to people at work complain about having to go in, themselves, to acquire their sack meal, because the drive thru was slammed or not working. Listening to them describe it like they had to climb Mt. Everest without some Sherpas. Holler at me when we can have a clone like that movie. I can train it and have it go to work for me. Technology is great, but you can make cases for the speed of it, vs. testing before public adoption all day.

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More reliable than ever? I'd debate that in spades. See all the recalls and issues with many models across all mfr's? I'd say a big part of that is the vehicles are just too complex. They are already developing 4G/5G modems into vehicles that will track by cell tower, with radar, GPS positioning, I mean it's insane. It won't be long and every vehicle on the road will be "connected" to these systems, self aware, radar positioning amongst all the vehicles around you. Hi Skynet, insurance and .gov nannying you like a child. Reminds me of smartphones. Great as a tool, but most of what people do with them is an absolute and utter waste of time. The damn phones are a plague on society. Instead of passing laws ending that poor and discourteous behavior nah, instead we'll engineer vehicles to let these idiots surf while driving. A big chunk of technology is just being innovated to make people even lazier, less attentive, so they can focus on sitting more, doing less, and getting fatter by the minute. We are in a "convenience" society. People can't even be bothered to go buy their own groceries and produce now. I've listened to people at work complain about having to go in, themselves, to acquire their sack meal, because the drive thru was slammed or not working. Listening to them describe it like they had to climb Mt. Everest without some Sherpas. Holler at me when we can have a clone like that movie. I can train it and have it go to work for me. Technology is great, but you can make cases for the speed of it, vs. testing before public adoption all day.
You can be anti-modern car tech all you want (and I agree, it's extremely integrated and excessive nowadays), but you're complaining about phones and peripheral systems, not, you know, the function of the car's mechanicals itself. At this point, most cars just need oil changes (at way higher intervals than ever before) and that's it. For years. We are in a "convenience society" and that extends to our cars not needing constant monitoring and maintenance.

But this is getting way off topic.
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Or thank him for getting Toyota to make this car if it ends up being sold in the US
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That was all tongue cheek.



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Yuck. That's ugly.

I want one.
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Those things are gonna be a (relative) fortune once they hit the US in a few years. Not R34 prices or anything, but really high for a 25yr old econobox. There's a guy on Insta (@lopes8080) who basically just built a totally brand new one and it's bonkers.
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Those things are gonna be a (relative) fortune once they hit the US in a few years. Not R34 prices or anything, but really high for a 25yr old econobox. There's a guy on Insta (@lopes8080) who basically just built a totally brand new one and it's bonkers.
One of my side business ideas is to get a group of investors together when the next downturn happens and get a long term auto garage / storage rental in Japan and buy up as many R34's and other cars as possible and store them for when they become legal in the US and import them over at that time. I was making progress on the business plan but life got busy so its on hold.

The GTR has already exploded in value but I can see it coming down a bit when things go south.
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One of my side business ideas is to get a group of investors together when the next downturn happens and get a long term auto garage / storage rental in Japan and buy up as many R34's and other cars as possible and store them for when they become legal in the US and import them over at that time. I was making progress on the business plan but life got busy so its on hold.

The GTR has already exploded in value but I can see it coming down a bit when things go south.
Trust Kikaku is doing something like this in Japan already.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/10/...rehouse-japan/
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One of my side business ideas is to get a group of investors together when the next downturn happens and get a long term auto garage / storage rental in Japan and buy up as many R34's and other cars as possible and store them for when they become legal in the US and import them over at that time. I was making progress on the business plan but life got busy so its on hold.

The GTR has already exploded in value but I can see it coming down a bit when things go south.
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Trust Kikaku is doing something like this in Japan already.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/10/...rehouse-japan/
Yeah, I was going to say, all of the prime examples have already been scooped up by those with the means.

Personally, I'd try a few models "outside of the box" rather than the same hive mind models. Pajero Evo looks like a good bet. ST205. Pulsar GTiR is cool but its looks let it down. Any homologation car is instantly going to be more desireable. It would be much easier to buy models in Canada, as well, for obvious reasons.

Oh, also, any "special edition" model (like the TME above, or 22B) is going to be better long term. Without getting into 22B money, a Type R STI V-Limited would be a great option. STI coupes are already rare but a Limited WRC-commemorating edition would be even rarer/more desireable. If nothing else like this GR4 comes out, this could be the last proper road going homologation rally car. Which is entirely possible. I wouldn't mind having one kicking around for the weekend.

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Trust Kikaku is doing something like this in Japan already.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/10/...rehouse-japan/
I remember reading that their are dealerships in Japan that will not sell to over seas investors. They prefer that their models state on their side of the pond. Im curious to see if Japan starts to lobby to end over seas transit of key car models.
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I mean, Toyota USA should lose their social media accounts if they post stuff like this and donít bring it, right?



Right?
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Pretty much. It's implied the answer is yes when you post something like that. I think they're realizing how hard it would be to sell 25,000 homologation cars while avoiding North America.

And honestly, looking at prices of some Group A homologation cars these days (eg Lancia Delta Integrale Evos going for $60k, 80k and up), this could be similarly desireable in the future. Then again, its Japanese counterparts in the Evo, STI and ST205 don't sell for half as much, so there's that.
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If this thing makes it here at some price between a Veloster N ($27,000) and a base STI, I'd seriously consider it. It's a little small and impractical for my use but I might compromise because it seems really cool.
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I mean, Toyota USA should lose their social media accounts if they post stuff like this and donít bring it, right?



Right?
I wonder if they've seen the petition, the bloody thing is up 15,700! Granted that's in no way indicative of how many people would actually pull the trigger. I love, love, my Fiesta ST, but it'll probably be adios in a hot minute if Toyota brings this GR over.
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