2021 Ford Bronco

[Dex]

If the Bronco Sport is built on a different platform, then it's a different car and should have it's own thread. Putting Sport news in here is going to confuse things.

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[4S-TURBO]

Nah it's fine here. Bronco name whoring in one place.

[DougNuts]

Originally Posted by Dex

If the Bronco Sport is built on a different platform, then it's a different car and should have it's own thread. Putting Sport news in here is going to confuse things.

I agree.

[AWDspider]

Originally Posted by Dex

If the Bronco Sport is built on a different platform, then it's a different car and should have it's own thread. Putting Sport news in here is going to confuse things.

Originally Posted by DougNuts

I agree.

I see it often on some other forums and social media. Someone post a pic of the Bronco SPORT and people think it's THE bronco.....and complain about how it looks like a soft offroader. It seems that it needs explaining that there are two broncos.

So yes I agree as well. The bronco sport needs its own thread

[AWDspider]

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

At the 25 second mark......dragging the inside rear wheel

I've got money on you ford.....don't f this up

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally Posted by AWDspider

http://youtu.be/AevEaosH4oM

At the 25 second mark......dragging the inside rear wheel

I've got money on you ford.....don't f this up

Bronco Mud Testing - YouTube

Bronco Mud Testing - YouTube

fixored your link, here you go.

[AWDspider]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

Bronco Mud Testing - YouTube

fixored your link, here you go.

Weird, my link/embed shows up on my phone and pc

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally Posted by AWDspider

Weird, my link/embed shows up on my phone and pc

on my end it shows the 14 second clip and not the 47 second clip. odd...

[legacy_etu]

looks like a tarted up Kia Soul.

[ShadowLess]

Ford Exec Talks Smack, Says Bronco Will Be 'Superior' To Wrangler


Did you hear a new Ford Bronco is coming soon? Actually, it should’ve been here by now, but a pesky global pandemic called Coronavirus basically changed the plans of everything. According to Ford, the reborn off-roader will debut in July. And according to a high-level Ford executive it will allegedly be “superior” to the Jeep Wrangler. Imagine that.

We have Twitter to thank for this revelation. Mixed among the current political discussions came word from Michael Wayland, who quoted Ford Chief Operating Officer Jim Farley as specifically saying the new Bronco would be “a much superior product” versus the popular Wrangler.

Ford COO @jimfarley98 says the Bronco is “a much superior product” than @Jeep Wrangler https://t.co/arRjWY38yB

— Michael Wayland (@MikeWayland) June 10, 2020

It should come as no surprise that Ford is touting the abilities of the Bronco, but it's rare to see a direct call-out like this coming from such a high level of management. And it’s not exactly a secret that the new Bronco will be aimed squarely at the Wrangler; patent applications discovered long ago showed Ford’s off-roader getting a removable roof and doors, just like the Wrangler. In fact, the patent app for the doors suggests removing them on the Bronco will be much easier as opposed to Jeep's process. That could certainly be one area where the Ford is superior.

Of course, snazzy removable doors means nothing if the Bronco can’t compete with the Wrangler's off-road prowess. To that end, we also turn to a patent application for a complex active suspension system that can raise or lower the ride height, disconnect the sway bars, and in some settings, allow the vehicle to wiggle about in a dance mode. It sounds cheeky, but such an oscillating action could have benefits for dislodging a vehicle mired in dirt or mud.

As for other off-road attributes, we know the Bronco will have an independent front suspension versus the solid axle for the Wrangler. That could be better or worse depending on who you talk to, but we’ve heard it will also have locking differentials front and rear. That’s a big deal in the off-road world, and if the aforementioned active suspension does make it to the Bronco, there’s no reason to believe it won’t at least be equal to the Wrangler when the going gets tough.

Will it be a match in dealer showrooms, though? If Ford wants a piece of the Wrangler’s market share, the Bronco will need to be in the ballpark price-wise. That means a starting MSRP under $30,000 for two-door models, with four-door variants around $32,000. A decked-out Wrangler Rubicon Recon can top $50,000, so Ford certainly has some room to get fancy with high-end editions. Hopefully, we'll get some answers later this summer.

Source: Michael Wayland on Twitter via Jalopnik

From Jalopnik

IT WE HEARD
Ford COO Reportedly Already Starting Bronco Vs Jeep ****-Talking
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Please keep in mind that there’s no multiple sources here, and it was likely an off-the-cuff remark said during an internal webcast, but the source is trustworthy and, well, ****-talking is fun. Especially when it comes from Ford’s COO, and it’s about the new upcoming Bronco and the Jeep Wrangler.

Here’s the specific bit of ****-talk:


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Yes, the report is that Ford COO Jim Farley claimed the Bronco will be “a much superior product” than the Wrangler, which is fairly mild from a true feces-speaking perspective, but pretty significant coming from someone so high up at Ford, which pretty rarely engages in such outright ****speaking.

The same tweet also retweeted another tweet of a slide that showed that our European friends will have to get by without Broncos, Sport or otherwise, so, sorry Europe. Looks like you can have all the Mach-Es you want, though!

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Our own on-staff off-roading experts, one of which may have some strong Jeeply biases already, has told me, in confidence, that

“My engineer friend tells me the Bronco is going to make the Wrangler look lame. So I’m excited for it. Though no solid front axle, so I’m highly skeptical.”

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Another Jalopnik off-road enthusiast, this one quite high-placed in the Jalopnik org chart, stated

“I’m thinking of the Bronco more as a reborn FJ Cruiser.”

...which is an interesting comparison.

It was also agreed that the FJ Cruiser had many “weird flaws” that the new Bronco is expected to avoid, and, notably, has a removable top, an omission that “doomed the FJ from the start.”


The FJ’s triple windshield wiper setup was also praised, and compared to an MGB.

Of course, it’s far too early for us to really assess how the new Bronco will stack up to the Jeep Wrangler. But, I think we can all agree that everyone benefits from this early adoption of ****-talking, as that can only provide entertainment for the automotive world as a whole, and perhaps even the greater population of humanity as a whole, who are in desperate need for some kind of conflict that’s ultimately harmless.

https://jalopnik.com/ford-coo-report...shi-1843980027

[SCRAPPYDO]

smack talk is good. Starts rivalries. customers win when Rivalries exist
Off road guys, why is a solid front axle better? i would think it would limit ground clearance. I am asking honestly. I do not know. I am an on road guy mostly, but like to think I could love some trail driving, but right now I am fairly ignorant.

Is it a strength thing?

Help me understand.

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

smack talk is good. Starts rivalries. customers win when Rivalries exist
Off road guys, why is a solid front axle better? i would think it would limit ground clearance. I am asking honestly. I do not know. I am an on road guy mostly, but like to think I could love some trail driving, but right now I am fairly ignorant.

Is it a strength thing?

Help me understand.

When I was into it many moons ago, it was a strength/durability thing. Fewer moving parts to break, steering linkage is stressed out less & less likely to bind when suspension is articulated. Tire size was more important than suspension lifts until a certain point because you were trying to get the pumpkin as far off the ground as possible, although driveshaft angle starts to become a concern. Let's not talk about body lifts; those are the equivalent of stretched tires, looks good to a certain group of people but useless for performance. Portal Axles were a more expensive solution than taller tires and a speedo that was off. Granted I was into mudding and trails in an old F-series, not into rock crawling or hill climbs, my budget was dictated by my then still in high school income; so pick-and-pull was the budget friendly way to upgrade a truck.

If I were to get back into it though, IFS & IRS would be requirements; materials have gotten better, manufacturing has gotten better, the "sport" has way more cost friendly options than it used to (and way more not so cost friendly solutions), but I don't see myself getting into it in a serious way again, I don't have the time for another expensive hobby.

[legacy_etu]

I love that Ford is talking smack. Even though I don't care for the styling of the Bronco and am a Jeep guy I hope they provide some stiff competition. Options are good and maybe will get Jeep to drop the insane pricing they've adopted. Hell , if they don't screw up the styling too bad, I'd consider one.......

Regarding solid axles: they are stronger, always provide the same ground clearance compared to IFS which compresses and drops the belly potentially right to the ground. Also, they articulate better than IFS and allow you to put larger tires on with less work involved. However, they're not great tracking-wise onroad and don't provide as good a ride on the road or over high speed offroad bumps. There's just so much more mass to manage and that's harder under high speeds. I'd say generically that IFS is better for high speeds and solid axles better for low speed stuff.

[4S-TURBO]

The 2021 Ford Bronco will officially debut on July 9, according to a post on the automaker's official Instagram page. The caption reads "07/09/20. The Wild Returns." A new tagline, "Built Wild," is also mentioned and clearly a play on the "Built Ford Tough" tagline used for the automaker's trucks.

"07/09/20. The Wild Returns."

[car_freak85]

The level of interest Ford now generates in my household is barely above null.

Good luck with the Bronco, but I'll burn this mother down if you slap an ST, RS, Raptor, or other performance badge on this without having the decency to continue the Focus RS in the States.

[4S-TURBO]

Is there a Focus left to RS? Cart horse.

[hi5.0]

Get your fuel and ignition source ready - highly doubt a 2nd gen Focus RS will make it here since the car is no longer even offered. Could see the Bronco coming in a SVT edition - easy sell for Ford.

[lil'redwagon]

They're just going to RS their whole lineup. They're already set the precedent with the Focus RS, so now that they think people know what RS means, they are going to blanket their products with it. Like AMG, ///M, etc.

[4S-TURBO]

I'm feeling terrible I'm lusting two Ford products right now.

[FaastLegacy]

Originally Posted by lil'redwagon

They're just going to RS their whole lineup. They're already set the precedent with the Focus RS, so now that they think people know what RS means, they are going to blanket their products with it. Like AMG, ///M, etc.

I wouldn't count on it. Other than some rally fanboys, RS has no reputation here in the US. They sold a relative handful of Focus RSes.

[RealDealTarheel]

RS has something of a reputation here in the US, of a huge recall.

[KC]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

"07/09/20. The Wild Returns."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson

Born: July 9, 1947 (age 72)

The irony is thick.

--kC

[left footed whooten]

Why am i now picturing you as george kennedy in eiger sanction driving john hemlock to train for the eiger? That was a hot bronco

[KC]

If the Bronco takes off, maybe they WILL make a Baja version. That was hot.

--kC

[4S-TURBO]

This is hot.