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Old 07-15-2020, 01:16 PM   #176
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Badlands reservation for me. 2.3L and 10spd. I have the livernoirs tune on my ranger and it's bananas. I expect the bronco to be the same
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Old 07-15-2020, 01:17 PM   #177
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Yes and no. All depends on the rear of the block. On the RS they shaved it off for weight purposes and this decreased how much you could mod it. If you wanted to put any real power to it you’d have to brace it. Mild stuff, sure, no problem.

I guess what I'd be interested in, since I never followed the RS religiously, is if the engine problems in the Focus RS has been fixed. I assume it has been fixed by now given how long it's been out, but then the Powershift DCT transmission was also out a long time too.



If this thing is reliable, they've got a massive hit. I'll let others troubleshoot 1st model year before considering buying.
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Old 07-15-2020, 02:30 PM   #178
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I guess what I'd be interested in, since I never followed the RS religiously, is if the engine problems in the Focus RS has been fixed. I assume it has been fixed by now given how long it's been out, but then the Powershift DCT transmission was also out a long time too.



If this thing is reliable, they've got a massive hit. I'll let others troubleshoot 1st model year before considering buying.
Just look at data for the ranger and f150 with the 2.7.

The only things that will be truly new for the bronco is the electronics. More so the sway bar disconnect and the infotainment system. Everything has been proven in other models
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Old 07-15-2020, 04:36 PM   #179
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In addition to all the great characteristics and features of the bronco, I'm grateful to see any car out there with simple clean lines. Just a nice body line front to back and good proportions. These days everything is so aggressive. Hopefully other manufactures take some inspiration, even on cars that aren't retros.
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Old 07-15-2020, 06:46 PM   #180
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My household has had two 2.3L Ecoboost engines with zero issues. Neither of which were Focus RS.

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Old 07-15-2020, 06:54 PM   #181
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I guess what I'd be interested in, since I never followed the RS religiously, is if the engine problems in the Focus RS has been fixed. I assume it has been fixed by now given how long it's been out, but then the Powershift DCT transmission was also out a long time too.



If this thing is reliable, they've got a massive hit. I'll let others troubleshoot 1st model year before considering buying.
Put it this way, I loved the RS. It’s the best handling car I have ever owned and one of the best I have ever driven (driven lots of 6 figure cars) but I had no confidence in that engine long term. So if I were you, get on the Ranger forums, and Mustang forums and see how the 2.3 is doing in both platforms. You can skip the RS forum, problems were numerous and widespread, and definitely not just the HG.

I’d also recommend NOT buying a first year Ford product as you state. F all that. Wait it out. If someone is jerking it to this new Bronco, go ahead and get on that forum, and read ownership experiences the first year and see how it goes first, before buying in. Typically Ford stealers are pricks and they’ll stick you hard. That always cools off 18 months after release.
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Old 07-15-2020, 10:47 PM   #182
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Take it from someone who was ****ed by Ford build quality - sit that first year out and wait and see if there are any major problems. Ford will not give a **** about you the customer if there is.
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:40 PM   #183
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Dear Ford,

Ditch the ranger and bring me a bronco 2 door super cab long bed truck. Sort of like the Mopar truck kit for the jeep...
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Old 07-15-2020, 11:52 PM   #184
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/34858/...l-transmission

WTH Ford Manual transmission fail!

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Old 07-16-2020, 12:42 AM   #185
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You know Ford did a good job presenting this when you see/hear comments from people saying "I didn't know I needed this until now." If I were in the market for a truck/SUV, this would pretty much be it. It's just that appealing.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:28 AM   #186
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Jeep reacts to Bronco reveal - YouTube

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Imagine how GM feels.

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Old 07-16-2020, 05:59 AM   #187
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Ford To Goodyear: Get 'Wrangler' Off The Bronco's Tires

Goodyear to Ford: I got you, boo.

Automakers are like politicians – they're loathe to acknowledge a rival. Instead, other brands and their products are “the competition,” or something similar. But in developing the 2021 Ford Bronco to beat the snot out of the Jeep Wrangler, the Blue Oval ran into an issue: one of the most popular off-road tires on the market is the Goodyear… Wrangler. Oh dear.

It just wouldn't do for Ford's most significant new product in years to feature its arch-rival's name five separate times on the exterior. After all, how silly would a Mustang look with “Camaro” all over it, or an F-150 with multiple “Ram” logos? Exactly. And that's why when the new Bronco arrives in Spring 2021, it will do so with special Goodyear tires that lack the typical Wrangler badging. But not entirely.

As we said, the Goodyear Wrangler is an extremely popular off-road tire, so while the name won't be outwardly visible on the Bronco, according to Ford, there still needs to be small Wrangler markings on the inside of the tire.

Ford confirmed with spokesman Sam Schembari saying, “[The Wrangler name] will be removed from the Goodyear's side wall on the outboard side. Bronco Customers will not see it unless their tires are off the vehicle and the inboard side is visible.”

Why not strip the word off entirely? According to Schembari, it's because the Wrangler name is “still part of [Goodyear's] aftermarket branding.”

So while there will still be small instances of Jeep's long-lived off-roader on every Bronco, the tires won't constantly remind owners of it.

As for which versions of the Bronco will carry these special Goodyear tires, it's hard to say at the moment. Depending on trim, the Bronco will wear any of six different tire sizes ranging from 30-inchers on the Base to enormous 35s on the Wildtrak and vehicles with the optional Sasquatch pack. We've already seen Goodyear Wrangler-shod Broncos in press images, but the vehicles in certain shots also feature BFGoodrich rubber (below).
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Old 07-16-2020, 09:28 AM   #188
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Has anyone ever driven a vehicle with this "dragging the rear wheel to turn" feature? Doesn't seem like it would work all that well. Seems like it would only really work on soft/slippery ground but then all the other wheels have little traction too to help the turn. hmm, maybe requires a higher speed to make work.......
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Old 07-16-2020, 09:36 AM   #189
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Has anyone ever driven a vehicle with this "dragging the rear wheel to turn" feature? Doesn't seem like it would work all that well. Seems like it would only really work on soft/slippery ground but then all the other wheels have little traction too to help the turn. hmm, maybe requires a higher speed to make work.......
I have, even on the rocks it helps. Turn it off and you begin to see the difference. It helps the car rotate around better. IMHO it works even better on dry rocks. Feels weird but it works
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Old 07-16-2020, 11:35 AM   #190
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Old 07-16-2020, 12:42 PM   #191
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Seriously, I doubt a Wrangler owner is going to trade based solely on the lack of a crossbar. I will say though that he is right in that it is getting way too big (the crossbar)in the Wrangler. Jeep definitely needs to shrink that down or get rid of it.

Loooks wise I am definitely liking the front and back but those flares really tweak me the wrong way. Hopefully the aftermarket can come up with something better. I’d also have to swap the wheels for something smaller <gasp> than the 35’s....maybe 32’s . Just looks too stuffed to me and throws off the proportions. Hopefully they beefed up that tailgate to support that 35! Those hinge pins look relatively small.

And who films a car review ata boat ramp/launch area. I’m surprised someone didn’t go off on him. People get apoplectic at the boat ramp if they have to wait 10 seconds.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:00 PM   #192
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IMHO, if Jeep hadn't gone soft ugly with the Cherokee line and made a modern 4 door box instead, this Bronco wouldn't be so undeniably different and retro cool.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:08 PM   #193
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I like the flares; I hate the riveted/bolted on style with exposed fasteners; it's freaking 2020, I don't want to see exposed fasteners on the exterior of my vehicle.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:22 PM   #194
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^^ not sure if that was directed at me. I don't like rivets either, it's the shape of the flares that bugs me.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:40 PM   #195
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^^ not sure if that was directed at me. I don't like rivets either, it's the shape of the flares that bugs me.
Partially, but a few people have commented on the flares already so it's more me giving my opinion on the flares.

It's a "square body" SUV meant to mimic (as much as possible) the original, some kind of widebody rounded flare or box flare that intruded on the fenders would defeat that styling.
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:03 PM   #196
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And the Twitters are alight, people are pretty pissed about this. I have a feeling Ford may change their stance on this. They have a license to print money with this truck.

This is the first new truck to make me strongly reconsider my stance on owning new 4x4 instead of a used one (probably a TJ). Especially if they offer the Samsquanch package for the base model 7mt. I showed this to my wife, and she was like "I'd be fine with us getting a manual version of that".
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:09 PM   #197
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Take it from someone who was ****ed by Ford build quality - sit that first year out and wait and see if there are any major problems. Ford will not give a **** about you the customer if there is.
Yep. While there's a remote possibility I may own a Ford again, I will never, ever own a first year or even second year model as you will be left to fend for yourself if it ships with defects. This is the same company that sold the PowerShift transmission for years when they knew it was faulty and blatantly lied about it or the junk MT82 transmission (class action lawsuit finally filed this year).
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Yep. While there's a remote possibility I may own a Ford again, I will never, ever own a first year or even second year model as you will be left to fend for yourself if it ships with defects. This is the same company that sold the PowerShift transmission for years when they knew it was faulty and blatantly lied about it or the junk MT82 transmission (class action lawsuit finally filed this year).
Yep. I had the Powershi(f)t. It wasn't even so much the problem with the car as it was Ford's handling of the situation. They knew the transmission was problematic even before the MK3 Focus went into regular production and they still pressed on with it and refused to admit there was an official problem until they faced a class action lawsuit over it.

It was:

"That's just a characteristic of the transmission..."

or

"It just needs a software update".


Bull****.

Meanwhile, I replaced it with another car(GTI) with a dual clutch transmission and it doesn't slip, grind, or buck at all like the Focus did.

That being said, this Bronco looks like a winner and I'll seriously consider one in a couple years when the early adopter tax is gone and I can be assured it has no material problems.
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Old 07-16-2020, 07:47 PM   #199
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Yep. While there's a remote possibility I may own a Ford again, I will never, ever own a first year or even second year model as you will be left to fend for yourself if it ships with defects. This is the same company that sold the PowerShift transmission for years when they knew it was faulty and blatantly lied about it or the junk MT82 transmission (class action lawsuit finally filed this year).
My RS was a 2nd model year, and still issues, so maybe move that to year 3. Any “enthusiast” that participates regularly here or elsewhere should know and be wary of Ford and their bs. Give it a few model years first and watch from the sidelines. Any kind of performance anything they have made in recent memory has had a few issues that I wouldn’t want to deal with.

And it’s not a Ford bash. I’ve only had one product with them. I’d say the same about this all new STi coming. Year 3 and I would feel content but not the first 2 model years.
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And the Twitters are alight, people who will never by one anyways are pretty pissed about this. I have a feeling Ford may change their stance on this. .
Fixed that for you.
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