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Old 01-21-2022, 04:56 PM   #376
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:58 PM   #377
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I'm totally fine with the 3-cylinder engine. IMO 4-cylinder engines have no personality and I find it hard to get excited about any of them. It's got a ball bearing turbo (pretty rare in a production car) so as long as the engine is responsive and gets the car up to speed quickly it's all that matters. Since it's a Toyota reliability shouldn't be a concern and at the very least this engine will sound better than any 4 cylinder with an aftermarket exhaust.
I'm going just based on videos but the turbo 3 sounds so much better than the four in the Type R. It's the major downside to the Type R - a performance car should have a nice sounding engine.

If Alfa Romeo can't make a turbo i4 sound good, nobody can.
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:04 PM   #378
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This is a genuinely exciting car. WRX fans better be watching
I appreciate this car for what it is but no thanks. WRX over this for me.
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:10 PM   #379
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The Abarth 595 Competizione sounds pretty good.



http://www.abarth.com/abarth-595-competizione
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:24 PM   #380
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I appreciate this car for what it is but no thanks. WRX over this for me.
I think his comment was geared towards those who were hoping for a hatchback variant of the WRX or those who didn't care for the appearance of the sedan. I think this car will be great competition. I've got my heart set on either one of the twins as I've realized I have zero need for 4 doors anymore now that my wife has the bigger car.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:41 PM   #381
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I think his comment was geared towards those who were hoping for a hatchback variant of the WRX or those who didn't care for the appearance of the sedan. I think this car will be great competition. I've got my heart set on either one of the twins as I've realized I have zero need for 4 doors anymore now that my wife has the bigger car.
By all means get one. I have less interest in hatchbacks so I will rather have the company focus on the sedan version more. That is what exactly Subaru did with the WRX.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:56 PM   #382
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The Abarth 595 Competizione sounds pretty good.



http://www.abarth.com/abarth-595-competizione
It does but can't tell if it's the engine or just the exhaust.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:58 PM   #383
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By all means get one. I have less interest in hatchbacks so I will rather have the company focus on the sedan version more. That is what exactly Subaru did with the WRX.
Great time to be an ICE sports car enthusiast. We have a lot of good stuff coming up in the next few years.
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Great time to be an ICE sports car enthusiast. We have a lot of good stuff coming up in the next few years.
I agree. I am really liking all the N stuff Hyundai is getting out for the price.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:21 PM   #385
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I agree. I am really liking all the N stuff Hyundai is getting out for the price.
I'm waiting for them to put out some design I like (I like what we don't get, i20, i30, i30 fastback etc).
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Yes, those ones exactly are the more desirable ones, even from just a design standpoint.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:50 AM   #387
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The Abarth 595 Competizione sounds pretty good.



http://www.abarth.com/abarth-595-competizione
Only 180hp??? That's non-turbo Impreza territory

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That particular Abart is approximately 1,000 lbs lighter than an Impreza while making almost 30 more horsepower. SUCH PERFORMANCE!
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That particular Abart is approximately 1,000 lbs lighter than an Impreza while making almost 30 more horsepower. SUCH PERFORMANCE!
Oh yeah, my mind is still remembering the 180hp Imprezas of old.
Well, I think the Legacy gets 180+

Anyway, my porky 3700 lb Cadenza gets to 100kph quicker than that "performance" Abarth
My 0-60 is 6.1 secs, so 0-100kph would be maybe 6.3, vs 6.7 for the Abarth. It would take me on the corners though.
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Oh yeah, my mind is still remembering the 180hp Imprezas of old.
Well, I think the Legacy gets 180+

Anyway, my porky 3700 lb Cadenza gets to 100kph quicker than that "performance" Abarth
My 0-60 is 6.1 secs, so 0-100kph would be maybe 6.3, vs 6.7 for the Abarth. It would take me on the corners though.

You are cherry-picking data. Car and Driver has your Cadenza at 6.7 seconds. The Fiat Abarth convertible with the 160hp 1.4T and automatic transmission, also measured by Car and Driver, was 6.9 seconds. Basically the worst version of the 500 Abarth is neck and neck with your point of reference. There are too many different ways to measure 0-60 that they really at least need to come from the same source.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/kia/cadenza
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You are cherry-picking data. Car and Driver has your Cadenza at 6.7 seconds. The Fiat Abarth convertible with the 160hp 1.4T and automatic transmission, also measured by Car and Driver, was 6.9 seconds. Basically the worst version of the 500 Abarth is neck and neck with your point of reference. There are too many different ways to measure 0-60 that they really at least need to come from the same source.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/kia/cadenza
You're looking at the newer Cadenza. Mine's a 2014 - they are faster. In 2017 they dropped a few hp to get mpg up a bit, so 0-60 is slower.

According to zero-to-60 times, the 2014-16 shows 6.2, and the '17+ shows 6.5 or 6.6

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So you're saying that for "Fun to Drive" factor, you'd take a Cadenza over a Fiat Abarth Competizione?
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I thought it sounded pretty ok for what it is. Or at the very least the company cares enough to try to make a small I4 sound aggressive.

But uhhhhhh ok. lol
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So you're saying that for "Fun to Drive" factor, you'd take a Cadenza over a Fiat Abarth Competizione?
Well, no, but,... Horsepower! I got 293!!!
(and, honestly, my Cadenza is a pretty fun car - it's no WRX, but it's quite sporty for a FWD near-luxury, full-size sedan)

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I thought it sounded pretty ok for what it is. Or at the very least the company cares enough to try to make a small I4 sound aggressive.

But uhhhhhh ok. lol
The Abarth was cool, I heard it was fun but never drove one cause the body style was really impractical.
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Oof. There appears to be some headroom in this little guy.
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Oof. There appears to be some headroom in this little guy.
No way. It's an I3, therefore it's no good.
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The number of cylinders is irrelevant. To dismiss it because if cylinder count is ignorant. I am a mechanical engineer as well and the amount of engineering in the engine is more important than the number of cylinders. Just like there are good and bad FWD cars there are good and bad three cylinder engines
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If it do what it do, then it does what it does.

Facts.
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