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Old 10-18-2021, 08:35 PM   #251
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False. If I've learned one thing on NASIOC it's this -- no car lacking AWD (no matter how good) can compete with any car (no matter how poorly engineered or constructed) with AWD.
Yeah, either monsoon season or snow…or dry pavement make it such that anything else is a rolling death trap.
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Old 10-19-2021, 08:19 AM   #252
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I hope you are kidding. Vote for ban!!!
It'll be just like the WRX CVT
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:06 AM   #253
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si sedan debuts

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-sedan-debuts/

Looks like it's down 5 hp from current lol, one-upping Subaru

Maybe they're making some room in the numbers for the Integra
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:16 AM   #254
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:48 AM   #255
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:27 AM   #256
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power is down, "curve is flattened"... sounds like similar excuses from Subaru and Honda...

Clean looking honda. Seen a few of the new civics on the road and it generally looks pretty good. Gotten really big though, like an accord.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:40 AM   #257
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At this rate we would be lucky to get 300hp from the new CTR.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:08 PM   #258
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power is down, "curve is flattened"... sounds like similar excuses from Subaru and Honda...

Clean looking honda. Seen a few of the new civics on the road and it generally looks pretty good. Gotten really big though, like an accord.
If this is true:

"Honda claims the new powerband is now broader overall and now peaks at a higher RPM, which should improve responsiveness, performance and driveability across a wider range."

I think it's probably worth the 5hp. The last motor was torquey and nice, but it ran out of steam too fast.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:15 PM   #259
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Could be. Hopefully they have a higher redline than 6100 rpm...
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:15 PM   #260
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If this is true:

"Honda claims the new powerband is now broader overall and now peaks at a higher RPM, which should improve responsiveness, performance and driveability across a wider range."

I think it's probably worth the 5hp. The last motor was torquey and nice, but it ran out of steam too fast.
I agree; I think the previous engine was OK with the CVT; but the manual will benefit from the wider powerband of the revised mill.
EDIT: they never paired up the old Si mill with the CVT, did they? Anyway, more revs more better.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/19/...c-si-revealed/
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[...]Though horsepower drops from 205 at 5,700 rpm to an even 200 at 6,000 rpm, Honda says the curve at the top end keeps peak output going longer to the 6,500 rpm redline. Peak torque stays the same at 192 pound-feet but kicks in 300 rpm sooner and keeps at it from 1,800-5,000 rpm.[...]

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Old 10-19-2021, 01:45 PM   #261
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Could be. Hopefully they have a higher redline than 6100 rpm...
Based on the dash, it looks to be 6500+ redline. Not amazing, but not a Subaru either.
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Old 10-19-2021, 02:42 PM   #262
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I agree; I think the previous engine was OK with the CVT; but the manual will benefit from the wider powerband of the revised mill.
EDIT: they never paired up the old Si mill with the CVT, did they? Anyway, more revs more better.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/19/...c-si-revealed/
I'm more excited about the lightweight flywheel, which I assume is to reduce the extreme rev hang.
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Old 10-19-2021, 03:00 PM   #263
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Based on the dash, it looks to be 6500+ redline. Not amazing, but not a Subaru either.
High revving Hondas are a thing of the past.. unless the T.50 magically influences the 12th Gen Type R somehow.



Skip to 5:45.
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Old 10-19-2021, 03:41 PM   #264
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I'm more excited about the lightweight flywheel, which I assume is to reduce the extreme rev hang.
It will react faster, but most of the rev hang is in the ECU programming.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:24 PM   #265
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That plastic cladding is looking better and better . I hope at the very least they solved the fuel dilution issues and the rev hang.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:25 PM   #266
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It will react faster, but most of the rev hang is in the ECU programming.
Since it now has rev matching maybe that means there won't be rev hang - don't think those are compatible.

Also makes me think the -5 hp was to eliminate rev hang, broaden torque curve and increase MPG, something had to be sacrificed.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:36 PM   #267
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High revving Hondas are a thing of the past.. unless the T.50 magically influences the 12th Gen Type R somehow.


T.50 VLOG | EPISODE #9 | DARIO HEARS 12,100RPM - YouTube

Skip to 5:45.
I expect the next Type R will redline at 7000rpm. Same as the last one.
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Old 10-19-2021, 05:28 PM   #268
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That plastic cladding is looking better and better . I hope at the very least they solved the fuel dilution issues and the rev hang.
Sure, WRX never had rev hang .
And, is excessive fuel dilution really an issue for cars that will rarely see temps below 40F? I don't think so.
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Old 10-19-2021, 05:29 PM   #269
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power is down, "curve is flattened"... sounds like similar excuses from Subaru and Honda...

Clean looking honda. Seen a few of the new civics on the road and it generally looks pretty good. Gotten really big though, like an accord.
Likely so the base Integra can make the 210-225HP number. Then the Integra Type S can use the Accord or the CTR 2.0T offering. Honda is stupid, they compete with their own brands as opposed to others.

No one has really noticed but this 11th Gen Si has lost the electronic adjustable suspension. What a shame, the 10th Gen has a lot going for it in the bang for your buck section, especially when the used car market cools off.
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If this is true:

"Honda claims the new powerband is now broader overall and now peaks at a higher RPM, which should improve responsiveness, performance and driveability across a wider range."

I think it's probably worth the 5hp. The last motor was torquey and nice, but it ran out of steam too fast.
Indeed, Honda has made changes to the 1.5T block and the Turbo for greater efficiency. Word from KTuner and other Honda tuners is this motor will make more power with a Tune.

Read more here, if interested.

https://prlarmy.com/Blog/whats-new-w...y-were-pumped/
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Indeed, Honda has made changes to the 1.5T block and the Turbo for greater efficiency. Word from KTuner and other Honda tuners is this motor will make more power with a Tune.

Read more here, if interested.

https://prlarmy.com/Blog/whats-new-w...y-were-pumped/
If the new one makes more power it's going to be a good tuner platform. Last I looked, only the most aggressively modified Si (FBO, ethanol, aggressive tune) were blowing engines.
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Old 10-19-2021, 07:38 PM   #272
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That link is bad btw.
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Looks like no adaptive dampers, no heated seats. Also, read that the 2016 1.5T touring made more power than 2022 1.5T touring on the PRL dyno but haven't looked into it. I just saw pricing for the 1.5T HB touring too, over 30K. This is not looking as great of a package as I thought it would be.
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Old 10-19-2021, 07:56 PM   #274
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That link is bad btw.
Here, try this one.

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/thread...-pumped.49951/
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Old 10-20-2021, 10:16 AM   #275
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No one has really noticed but this 11th Gen Si has lost the electronic adjustable suspension. What a shame, the 10th Gen has a lot going for it in the bang for your buck section, especially when the used car market cools off.
That's something that most of the initial articles didn't touch on. That's something that peaked my interest in the 10th gen Si as it was unique at the price point despite not having huge power numbers. Maybe this is something they are shifting to the Integra.
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