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Old 11-03-2021, 09:39 PM   #326
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Canít see any features it gained over the 10th gen.
It has a full digital gauge, doesn't it?
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Old 11-04-2021, 12:25 PM   #327
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I agree. It's a liftback and there's nothing wrong with labeling it as such. But I think most manufacturers that make this type of body style call it a liftback. What other manufacturers call something like this a hatchback?
Yeah, I guess Honda is really the only one doing it that's annoying me. Audi doesn't try to pawn off it's liftbacks as hatchbacks.
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Old 11-30-2021, 10:45 AM   #328
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Old 11-30-2021, 12:21 PM   #329
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Old 11-30-2021, 12:43 PM   #330
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Topher states that he feels this is the best Si since the 8th gen.
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Old 11-30-2021, 12:48 PM   #331
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Looked good in beginning zinging down road in second gear. I hoping the rev hang would be gone with light flywheel. I'm gone grab one. Unless dealers are totally bunkers with price. Which will probably happen.
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Old 11-30-2021, 05:09 PM   #332
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I wish the Si sedan has roof anchor points for receiving factory or aftermarket cross bars. I can forego a hatchback if there are hard mount cross bar option for bike, storage box, surfboards, etc. I've had the clamp style ones on two cars that grab onto the top of the door openings, but they really mess up the clear coat and weather stripping over time, and won't go that route again.
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Old 11-30-2021, 07:56 PM   #333
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If the Si has some old Type R suspension bits, I wonder if the new Type R will get the Type R LE suspension.
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Old 11-30-2021, 08:46 PM   #334
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Old 11-30-2021, 09:27 PM   #335
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Anyone think it's really weird to have colored inserts in the front seats and doors only for the back seats and doors to have none? It's like the front and rear seating areas are from two different cars. Seems like Honda went a bit too far with the cost cutting.

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Not in the Si. Way overboard cost cutting on this car.
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Old 12-01-2021, 07:08 AM   #336
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Anyone think it's really weird to have colored inserts in the front seats and doors only for the back seats and doors to have none? It's like the front and rear seating areas are from two different cars. Seems like Honda went a bit too far with the cost cutting.

Not in the Si. Way overboard cost cutting on this car.
I donít know how they made money on the last gen Si. $26k sticker and it had LEDs, upgraded stereo, all the performance stuff, great sport seats, Honda sensing etc.

So itís not cost cutting itís just the Si is no longer a steal.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:48 AM   #337
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Dyno numbers and real world testing numbers on the new Si are contradictory. 20HP gain, but slower 0-60 times, bigger brakes but longer 60-0 distance, type R suspension bits but lower lateral G's ?

BTW, I didn't realize the Si specific seating and door placards were omitted from the rear passenger seats/doors. That is some serious cost cutting and frankly it gives the car a cheap/econo box feeling. Might be worth going to Canada and buying this there since it has so man of the omitted features (led rev gauge, dual climate control, full digital cluster, heated seats, heated steering wheel, fog lights). Honda America really short changed us on this one.
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Old 12-01-2021, 10:01 AM   #338
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I donít know how they made money on the last gen Si. $26k sticker and it had LEDs, upgraded stereo, all the performance stuff, great sport seats, Honda sensing etc.

So itís not cost cutting itís just the Si is no longer a steal.
All those features you mentioned were only on the last production year of the 10th Gen Si. LED's, Upgraded stereo, Honda sensing were not on any of the 2017-2020 cars.

Si is not a bargain in the U.S. it remains so in Canada. More bang for the buck up there.
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Old 12-01-2021, 10:07 AM   #339
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Dyno numbers and real world testing numbers on the new Si are contradictory. 20HP gain, but slower 0-60 times, bigger brakes but longer 60-0 distance, type R suspension bits but lower lateral G's ?

BTW, I didn't realize the Si specific seating and door placards were omitted from the rear passenger seats/doors. That is some serious cost cutting and frankly it gives the car a cheap/econo box feeling. Might be worth going to Canada and buying this there since it has so man of the omitted features (led rev gauge, dual climate control, full digital cluster, heated seats, heated steering wheel, fog lights). Honda America really short changed us on this one.
It's very rare Canadians get better versions of any vehicle and kind of strange that Honda gives us considerably more features with this car. If it makes you feel any better we still get the non-matching rear seats and rear door card inserts that make the car feel cheap like an SRT-4.
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Old 12-01-2021, 10:20 AM   #340
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Dyno numbers and real world testing numbers on the new Si are contradictory. 20HP gain, but slower 0-60 times, bigger brakes but longer 60-0 distance, type R suspension bits but lower lateral G's ?

BTW, I didn't realize the Si specific seating and door placards were omitted from the rear passenger seats/doors. That is some serious cost cutting and frankly it gives the car a cheap/econo box feeling. Might be worth going to Canada and buying this there since it has so man of the omitted features (led rev gauge, dual climate control, full digital cluster, heated seats, heated steering wheel, fog lights). Honda America really short changed us on this one.
The 10th gen seats were the same, back is just base Civic seats.

Is car inflation going nuts in Canada like in the US? I have to think Honda might be reacting to that as well. It's surprising to see them raise the price so much ($2k?). So I wonder if that's related to the inflation we're seeing everywhere.

You can't compare car prices in 2022 to before Covid - that inflation isn't going away.
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Old 12-01-2021, 10:21 AM   #341
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It's very rare Canadians get better versions of any vehicle and kind of strange that Honda gives us considerably more features with this car. If it makes you feel any better we still get the non-matching rear seats and rear door card inserts that make the car feel cheap like an SRT-4.
10th gen Sport hatch was the same - had much better content in Canada, that model was not a stripped model like the US got.
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Old 12-01-2021, 12:19 PM   #342
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10th gen Sport hatch was the same - had much better content in Canada, that model was not a stripped model like the US got.
Would seriously consider picking up a Si from Canada.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:03 PM   #343
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I've seen enough of these on the road now to say it has become pretty anonymous and boring.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:51 PM   #344
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I've seen enough of these on the road now to say it has become pretty anonymous and boring.
For sure. Not enough black plastic cladding and no cool hexagonal wheel arches.
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For sure. Not enough black plastic cladding and no cool hexagonal wheel arches.
Wait, do you think I support the look of the WRX?
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Old 12-29-2021, 09:55 AM   #346
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I've seen enough of these on the road now to say it has become pretty anonymous and boring.

Much better looking and more mature looking than the previous gen. If I needed a commuter car I would probably seriously consider this.
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Old 12-29-2021, 10:57 AM   #347
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Much better looking and more mature looking than the previous gen. If I needed a commuter car I would probably seriously consider this.
it's boring and anonymous. Civic relies heavily on young customers. Will be interesting to see if they take to this new Civic or if this is the same every other generation misstep we've seen from Honda for over 20 years.
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Old 12-29-2021, 11:37 AM   #348
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it's boring and anonymous. Civic relies heavily on young customers. Will be interesting to see if they take to this new Civic or if this is the same every other generation misstep we've seen from Honda for over 20 years.
Yes but if we use your rallying cry "but they sell well" the Civic sells like 325-350K cars a year just in the US alone. I think that's more than all of Subaru's passenger cars combined

So just like Subaru Honda chooses to play it safe because they know the people buying these just want practical, reliable cars that get good MPG and aren't flashy.
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Yes but if we use your rallying cry "but they sell well" the Civic sells like 325-350K cars a year just in the US alone. I think that's more than all of Subaru's passenger cars combined

So just like Subaru Honda chooses to play it safe because they know the people buying these just want practical, reliable cars that get good MPG and aren't flashy.
Honda has a history of screwing up the Civic styling every other generation and needing to a radical fix the subsequent generation. They should learn from their own history

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/29/...usaolp00000618

7th gen
"This was a bit of a weird one"

8th gen
"And this was the correction."

9th gen
"The ninth-gen Civic was yet another swing of the pendulum."

10th gen
"It's possible we're over-using the word "correction" in this story, so let's just say the 2016 Civic was a true clean sheet."

There's some force acting within Honda to mute the styling of the civic, but every time they do it, it negatively impacts some mix of sales, incentives, and sentiment and they end up fixing it the next generation.

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I saw one in the parking lot today. It doesnít look like a cheap car. Itís big though ó too big for me.
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