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Old 04-16-2018, 09:30 PM   #476
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Tax incentives nearing end with Tesla production numbers. Think delays in model 3 due to fact they would rather push out model S first as higher profits.
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godfather2112 here is model 3 at autocross with 18" wheels and the Michelin Primacy MXM4 all season tires. The owner said that a pro-driver did one lap and was able to run 48sec



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godfather2112 here is model 3 at autocross with 18" wheels and the Michelin Primacy MXM4 all season tires. The owner said that a pro-driver did one lap and was able to run 48sec



https://www.flickr.com/photos/314028...7665808797807/
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Iíd say thatís rather respectable and impressive. Out of curiousity, how do aftermarket wheels that are either larger / wider with stickier tires impact miles per charge if at all?
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:11 PM   #483
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What do all the + times mean next to the bolded times? When I autocrossed we did not get those?
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What do all the + times mean next to the bolded times? When I autocrossed we did not get those?
Most likely

Time off class leader in RAW time, +/- PAX, final time, penalties.

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I figured as much, the PAX time I never really understood, nor liked if I am honest.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:31 AM   #486
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What do all the + times mean next to the bolded times? When I autocrossed we did not get those?
I could be mistaken but think it's the number of cones hit. A time penalty per cone is added. Again, I haven't autocrossed for many years so it might have changed.
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Putting what an intelligent, rational person sees at a glance - into 89 pages of "analysis"

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I’d say that’s rather respectable and impressive. Out of curiousity, how do aftermarket wheels that are either larger / wider with stickier tires impact miles per charge if at all?

They didn't test the range but performance improved all around with the stock 19" sport wheels. The 19" Continentals are still all-season grand touring tires
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They didn't test the range but performance improved all around with the stock 19" sport wheels. The 19" Continentals are still all-season grand touring tires
Thatís awesome. I am wondering if stickier tires and larger wheels will have a negative impact on the regenerative breaking and lower miles per charge. Not wondering for sake of being negative truly just curious if miles per charge goes unaffected, slightly, or significantly.

I canít remember where I read it but some tire company was working on ďperformance streetĒ tires of EV and the comments where that traditional performance tires could have an impact on range but there were not any details on discussing how much impact or data.
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Thatís awesome. I am wondering if stickier tires and larger wheels will have a negative impact on the regenerative breaking and lower miles per charge. Not wondering for sake of being negative truly just curious if miles per charge goes unaffected, slightly, or significantly.

I canít remember where I read it but some tire company was working on ďperformance streetĒ tires of EV and the comments where that traditional performance tires could have an impact on range but there were not any details on discussing how much impact or data.
Without being able to provide actual numbers, yes, sticky tires will negatively affect range & regenerative braking.

More rolling resistance means it's harder to get the car to accelerate, and easier to get the car to decelerate.

This is the reason LRR eco tires exist - you make a trade off - lower rolling resistance & better fuel economy for worse braking & handling, with the typical side affect of longer tire life.
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Itís in the Bolt EV thread.
Stickier tires dropped the range by a significant amount, and road noise increased.
However, if my commute was well below the threshold, summer tires would shod on my EV (donít own one).
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I wonder if they put some summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S if they will increase the maximum cornering grip by another 0.08g. That would put the Tesla Model 3 in the BMW M3 territory
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I wonder if they put some summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S if they will increase the maximum cornering grip by another 0.08g. That would put the Tesla Model 3 in the BMW M3 territory
Could be, but I bet it would kill brake pad life.
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Could be, but I bet it would kill brake pad life.

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Model 3 construction ? Put together like an early 90s Kia.Luckily most don't remember how bad they were. It drives well though.
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Model 3 construction ? Put together like an early 90s Kia.Luckily most don't remember how bad they were. It drives well though.
https://youtu.be/CpCrkO1x-Qo
did you watch the whole video? I did.

Here are a couple of quotes;

36:14 mark:
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"...This one! This one! is totally different and thats what I say, anybody that ignores this car , anybody thats in the car industry who ignores this car does so at their own peril. This is big stuff, this in not... this is not inching up, this is revolutionary verses evolutionary was the old stuff, this is revolutionary and everybody else is sitting their twiddling their thumbs".
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Is a good video and recommend watching the whole thing.

I agree with what he say Tesla rushed the cars out to the public. The line workers seemed not to be properly trained. Hopefully Tesla will improve their manufacturing assembly and make the model 3 the car that it can be.
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Im not sure of the accuracy of this and hopefully one of you can clarify the statement I heard, but supposedly any base model 3's are at the very end of the line for manufacturing and any fully loaded Model 3 gets bumped to the3 front no matter the order the date. I have a semi difficult time believing that if you were one one of the first base Model 3 owners, that I could walk into Tesla and order a fully loaded version today and get it before them.

I'm guessing the statement I heard is B.S, can anyone confirm.
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Im not sure of the accuracy of this and hopefully one of you can clarify the statement I heard, but supposedly any base model 3's are at the very end of the line for manufacturing and any fully loaded Model 3 gets bumped to the3 front no matter the order the date. I have a semi difficult time believing that if you were one one of the first base Model 3 owners, that I could walk into Tesla and order a fully loaded version today and get it before them.

I'm guessing the statement I heard is B.S, can anyone confirm.
not completely accurate. If you go today and put an order you will still have to wait a bunch of time and you probably will get your car late next year. Base models will be available at the end of this year. There making the fully loaded RWD first, than AWD and lastly the base model.

But if you were an owner of model S and model X and go and order a model 3 today you probably get it first than someone waiting for the 35k base version.
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Got it, thanks for the clarification.
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did you watch the whole video? I did.

Here are a couple of quotes;

36:14 mark:


38:21 mark:
Using Magna Automotive to setup the manufacturing


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and:

whoever designed the suspension could be a:

Is a good video and recommend watching the whole thing.

I agree with what he say Tesla rushed the cars out to the public. The line workers seemed not to be properly trained. Hopefully Tesla will improve their manufacturing assembly and make the model 3 the car that it can be.
way to cherry pick quotes man.

He said ignore comment at your own peril ONLY referring to a single circuit board. THATs it. one circuit board is high tech.. thats it. The assembly is rubbish, he said he has close to 1000 pages of mechanical issues that are not acceptable. The thing is a trying to be a rolling cell phone. EXACTLY what I said it was 2 years ago. I should hope a company that is based out of silicon valley makes a good circuit board. Problem is no matter how hard they try, a car is NOT ever going to be without the old school car mechanical systems. Doors have to seal, suspension has to work, hoods need to close properly. No matter how many .12 cent silicone chips they stick in it, it still has to be car.

cliff notes for the whole video: Silicone valley produces great circuit boards, not so great cars.
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