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Old 05-28-2020, 12:59 PM   #101
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My concern is pricing.
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Old 05-28-2020, 01:04 PM   #102
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My concern is pricing.
My guess is that the base model will be low $40K and Nismo in the $50K+ range similar to the Supra (4 cylinder and 6).
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Old 05-28-2020, 01:51 PM   #103
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Iíll remain cautiously optimistic on the outcome. My car excitement can handle a Supra repeat.
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:12 PM   #104
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My guess is that the base model will be low $40K and Nismo in the $50K+ range similar to the Supra (4 cylinder and 6).
Do they have a 4-cylinder that is any good? The one in the 330i/Supra 2.0T is no slouch.
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Old 05-28-2020, 03:02 PM   #105
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My concern is pricing.
My concern is that Nissan hasn't done a lot right in some time. They put all that engineering in the VC-Turbo and produced an engine that wasn't any more fuel efficient than any comparable 4-cyl turbo engines from other automakers.

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Old 05-28-2020, 03:06 PM   #106
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Do they have a 4-cylinder that is any good? The one in the 330i/Supra 2.0T is no slouch.
I am not sure about Nissan's 4 bangers..maybe they can do an updated version of their ever popular SR20DET.

The thing about the Supra 4 cylinder is if I'm paying like $42K or whatever it was, I would just pay the extra $10K and get the 6 cylinder from the start.. especially when the gearbox is exactly the same (per kbb)
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Old 05-29-2020, 02:54 PM   #107
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I am not sure about Nissan's 4 bangers..maybe they can do an updated version of their ever popular SR20DET.

The thing about the Supra 4 cylinder is if I'm paying like $42K or whatever it was, I would just pay the extra $10K and get the 6 cylinder from the start.. especially when the gearbox is exactly the same (per kbb)
4 banger should be a $35k car. Maybe $40k fully loaded with whatever stupid comfort features someone needs.

$42k for the 4 banger is a solid pass.

Then again, people are paying $65k plus for that special edition canít run on cali 91 oct STI.
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Old 05-29-2020, 04:01 PM   #108
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4 banger should be a $35k car. Maybe $40k fully loaded with whatever stupid comfort features someone needs.

$42k for the 4 banger is a solid pass.

Then again, people are paying $65k plus for that special edition canít run on cali 91 oct STI.
Agree all 3 points.
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Old 05-29-2020, 04:44 PM   #109
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I'd imagine Porsche's 718 Cayman base 300 hp 2.0DIT being a likely benchmark. The CLA35 AMG sourced engine would be the probable source. But with the buzz the last couple years Nissan and Merc not sharing engines who knows.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:49 PM   #110
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Man I'm rooting for them but I fully expect them to screw this relaunch up. That profile of the Z looks pretty boring along with that huge chrome roofline stripe thing. Combine that with their lack of having any solid transmission to put in this and things do not bode well IMO.
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Old 06-03-2020, 02:11 PM   #111
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Nothing wrong with the 6sp in the outgoing car. Along with the R180, the outgoing driveline was fine. Obviously, an updated engine would be welcome. Hopefully something lighter than the VQ. But if they use a lighter engine, then a ~300hp target would be fine. My understanding is that the VQ was very heavy, and the VR in the Infiniti is in the same ballpark. So if they used that, they would have to target over 400hp to offset the weight penalty. Especially considering that Nissan OVERrates their hp figures. So my guess is that the VR in the Z with "450hp" would be comparable to the "385hp" in the Supra for the halo model.
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:41 PM   #112
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:43 PM   #113
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I thought that was scrapped long time ago..
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:48 PM   #114
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Nothing wrong with the 6sp in the outgoing car. Along with the R180, the outgoing driveline was fine. Obviously, an updated engine would be welcome. Hopefully something lighter than the VQ. But if they use a lighter engine, then a ~300hp target would be fine. My understanding is that the VQ was very heavy, and the VR in the Infiniti is in the same ballpark. So if they used that, they would have to target over 400hp to offset the weight penalty. Especially considering that Nissan OVERrates their hp figures. So my guess is that the VR in the Z with "450hp" would be comparable to the "385hp" in the Supra for the halo model.
Outgoing driveline was fine.....for an older car. For the new car though I doubt the current 6spd could handle the power coming from the 400 hp Q60 engine that's rumored to be in this new Z. Their current automatics are way behind the competition; assuming Nissan being Nissan and that their thinking of reusing the 7spd in the Q60 as well This things DOA if they do that.

Q60 in 400 hp guise is good they just need to find some good transmissions to put behind it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:59 PM   #115
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I'm pretty sure Nissan is going to drop the MT on the 400Z (mainly due to all the CSC issues the 370Z had and clamping limitation as Legacy-etu mentioned) and flake out and do the 7sp AT unless something happens where they do a dual clutch.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:29 PM   #117
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Outgoing driveline was fine.....for an older car. For the new car though I doubt the current 6spd could handle the power coming from the 400 hp Q60 engine that's rumored to be in this new Z. Their current automatics are way behind the competition; assuming Nissan being Nissan and that their thinking of reusing the 7spd in the Q60 as well This things DOA if they do that.

Q60 in 400 hp guise is good they just need to find some good transmissions to put behind it.
Agreed that the 7sp auto is outdated. But the manual is stout. It handles 5-600whp cars just fine, without any mods other than a clutch. Also worth noting that when people do LS swaps into things, the Tremec is usually the first choice, but a close second is the 6MT+R180 from a Z. Plus if people want a manual, they want an analog experience. In this case, the oldness works in it's favor. It also feels good, not like a truck transmission (cough, STi, cough).

Edit: I just read the post about the CSC. Yes, that usually gets replaced on a build too, but I wouldn't count that as part of the transmission. But that part is easy enough to redesign. There are already multiple aftermarket options that omit the CSC. So if they were changing a few parts on the car to make a manual option available, I would think that would be one of the things that gets redesigned. Less resources than redesigning a new transmission at least.

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Old 06-04-2020, 09:16 AM   #118
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Would Nissan make a capable MT just for the 400Z.. I would be surprised if they even have the budget to pull through using common parts they already have. While old, their 7sp is currently used on the RedSport trims..(?) If so, chances are, they will probably modify that and slap it on the 400Z as it's already vetted.. or a watered down dual clutch at best? ZF8AT?

Will have to see. I'm all for MT, but skeptical they can provide one that doesn't break.
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:25 AM   #119
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Would Nissan make a capable MT just for the 400Z.. I would be surprised if they even have the budget to pull through using common parts they already have. While old, their 7sp is currently used on the RedSport trims..(?) If so, chances are, they will probably modify that and slap it on the 400Z as it's already vetted.. or a watered down dual clutch at best? ZF8AT?

Will have to see. I'm all for MT, but skeptical they can provide one that doesn't break.
Maybe they will pick up the phone and call Tremec for an MT.
I think a ZF8AT would be preferred to their 7spd, but I don't think the Z can be offered auto only.
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Maybe they will pick up the phone and call Tremec for an MT.
I think a ZF8AT would be preferred to their 7spd, but I don't think the Z can be offered auto only.
Yeah, let's hope they get a reliable MT version going. If it's like anything I had to deal with on the 370Z (not just the MT, but the entire car), I'll skip the 400Z entirely and go straight to the Cayman in MT.
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Agreed that the 7sp auto is outdated. But the manual is stout. It handles 5-600whp cars just fine, without any mods other than a clutch. Also worth noting that when people do LS swaps into things, the Tremec is usually the first choice, but a close second is the 6MT+R180 from a Z. Plus if people want a manual, they want an analog experience. In this case, the oldness works in it's favor. It also feels good, not like a truck transmission (cough, STi, cough).

Edit: I just read the post about the CSC. Yes, that usually gets replaced on a build too, but I wouldn't count that as part of the transmission. But that part is easy enough to redesign. There are already multiple aftermarket options that omit the CSC. So if they were changing a few parts on the car to make a manual option available, I would think that would be one of the things that gets redesigned. Less resources than redesigning a new transmission at least.
Interesting to hear the 6 spd is that stout. Good to know.
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The current Q60 Red Sport uses the old 7AT and weighs 3800+ lbs. If Nissan manages to shave ~400 lbs for the Z it should hang with a Supra.

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Old 06-04-2020, 01:39 PM   #123
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hate that rendering.... you know one thing the old 240Z had going for it. It was really easy to see out of. Sight lines are clean and corners are easy to determine.

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I appreciate the homage to the old z cars, but I pray (like scraps says) that the greenhouse is proper instead of what that render is like. And I hope that chrome accent strip is easily removed so it can be painted. Also, "hanging with the supra" isn't exactly what I had in mind for it. I want a mini gtr that does what the gtr does to its relative competition.
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