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Old 10-25-2001, 06:32 PM   #1
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Default IMPORTANT: launching is bad!?!?!

today i was at the strip were people usually drag, i was just done racing an integra and when i turned around i talked to this guy in a blue wrx. he was testing a customers wrx because the dealership is right in front of the street. he said he saw me launch and that i shouldn't because hes already fixing two wrxs with sheered first gears. he said don't launch unless you want to pay $3200 to fix it because subaru isn't warrentying it anymore. has anyone had problems with their car after lots of launches?

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Old 10-25-2001, 06:36 PM   #2
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I don't own a rex, but everything I have ever read here says the best way to launch is to feather the clutch as you add the gas. Burns the clutch a little, but its better than having to replace your 1st gear.
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Old 10-25-2001, 06:56 PM   #3
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Last night it was raining, I was on a steep slope and gave a little gas, from a stop (in wrx wagon). I thought the rear wheels would spin (wet grade), but the rear end of the car shook and make a few really loud bangs, I quickly pressed the clutch and tried to start again, but slower and everything sounded fine.

What was that noise? It sounded like the car was bouncing and the suspension was freaking. I've gone up the same road/hill in my obs and on occasion the rear wheels did spin (it can be quite slippery). Was it the suspension b/c the wheels were spinning and bouncing or was it something in the transmission?

I'm going to try to take off on the hill slower from now on... what was the noise? (no, I wasn't trying to "launch")
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Old 10-25-2001, 07:00 PM   #4
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Dude, DUH!
yes, launching puts excess wear on tires, clutches and transmissions! Depending on technique, it puts more wear on the clutch vs. first gear or vice-versa...On AWD cars the tires take much less of the stress than the drivetrain...the extra stress has to go somewhere!
Everyone says slip the clutch because clutches are cheaper than trannies, which is very true!

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
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Old 10-25-2001, 07:12 PM   #5
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jcblack - sounds like axle-hop. Just ease off the gas alittle next time. Even though it is AWD it will not always have great traction.

This thread should probably be in the Transmission forum. There is more info on how to launch, and about the warranty policy of SOA with regard to transmissions.

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Old 10-25-2001, 07:32 PM   #6
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I will have to agree with Stanley, DUH! I have been reading about this first gear problem and they will replace it the first time it happens but not the second. If and I stress if, you have no mods on your car they legally have to warranty the problem. There is not way around it, SOA cannot say that they will not fix something that is under warranty just because they think it has to do with launching.
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Old 10-25-2001, 09:37 PM   #7
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Question how about the warrenty

I was just wondering why is it that subaru is no more warrentying the tranny, I mean they can really decide that they will cover no more tranny on all brand new cars???

Let me know, it might change my way of driving!
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Old 10-25-2001, 09:42 PM   #8
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he was testing a customers wrx because the dealership is right in front of the street
I think I'll stay away from that dealership.


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can really decide that they will cover no more tranny on all brand new cars???
The warranty never covered abuse, which will probably be clear if you guys keep dumping the clutch from 5k.

Wise up!
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Old 10-25-2001, 10:20 PM   #9
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I'd agree with stanley, when you launch, you're putting a heck of alot of stress on all the parts of your transmission and drivetrain. It kinda sucks now that threre are more people who are complaining (after abusing their tranny ) about how much subarus and their drivetrain sucks. Sometimes it's the drivers habits, after all, launching with 4 wheels chirping is never a good Idea when longevity is concerned.
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Old 10-25-2001, 10:41 PM   #10
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They simply have to prove it. Otherwise they have no case. Of course, if they see you break it with thier own eyes your outa luck. Just take it to another dealership.
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Old 10-25-2001, 10:51 PM   #11
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I hope the customer knows the dealership was "testing" his car at a drag strip!

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Old 10-25-2001, 11:18 PM   #12
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trust me.. the dealer can tell if you're launching...

you cant hide it.. so dont even bother trying...

and if SOA voids your warranty... then you're hosed...

lesson? dont launch...

i hate to be redundant, but duuuuuuuh

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Old 10-25-2001, 11:36 PM   #13
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that's why you don't dump the clutch, youslide it

at least I would think that would help- no chirping after all, not as much if any shock if ya do it right

speed safely

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Old 10-25-2001, 11:38 PM   #14
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that and I had the first two gears replaced before i even thought of taking the car to the drags

speed safely

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Old 10-25-2001, 11:52 PM   #15
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that and I had the first two gears replaced before i even thought of taking the car to the drags
You don't need a "drag race" to shift poorly or abuse a car.
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Old 10-25-2001, 11:55 PM   #16
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i was out driving today and when i took my foot off the gas in a low gear with or without the clutch engaged, i hear this weird unhealthy noise, anyone else hear it? well anyways, i found my new w ay to launch, no one was really specific about slipping the clutch, they just said o slip the clutch. no one ever really got into detail, letting the clutch out and once you get going pop it is the most i've ever seen. well now what i am doing is let the clutch out half way, rev up to around 3.5 k rpm, slip the clutch and when i feel that spot i pop the clutch and punch it and get no jerk. seems like doesn't bog as much this way. so people running low 14's stock at the strip, what kind of launches are they doing?

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Old 10-26-2001, 12:00 AM   #17
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On a side note... if this happens in what I consider normal enthusiastic driving (these aren't boring Camry's now are they?), how can Subaru deny warranty work? When I bought the car, it was advertised as being able to do 0-60 in 5.?? seconds... that entails some sort of launch. A launch they do to obtain those numbers CANNOT be considered abuse now can it?

I'm all for slipping the clutch however . If my 1st gear goes out, believe me, I am not going to pay for it, there is a reason I bought the 12??$ 100k/7yr bumper to bumper warranty.

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Old 10-26-2001, 12:48 AM   #18
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I'm going to try to take off on the hill slower from now on... what was the noise?
I think its trunck Monkey.
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Old 10-26-2001, 01:01 AM   #19
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Or if you are going to launch a WRX by stepping off the clutch.....

do in the dirt!!!

There is nothing quite like feeling all four wheels dig in under the surface and take off.

It also slowly builds up the traction so you don't get the gear shock.

I used to go out the back of Sydney looking for dirt roads to have fun on - Impresses the hell out of people when they feel how hard a WRX can launch on dirt


Tarmac with decent tires (or even stock RE92's on a good surface) just overwhelms the engine if you just dump it. Something has to give
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Old 10-26-2001, 03:29 AM   #21
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I will have to agree with Stanley, DUH! I have been reading about this first gear problem and they will replace it the first time it happens but not the second. If and I stress if, you have no mods on your car they legally have to warranty the problem. There is not way around it, SOA cannot say that they will not fix something that is under warranty just because they think it has to do with launching.
thank you! I love not having to re-type this warranty mumbo-jumbo
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Old 10-26-2001, 06:27 AM   #22
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You could always launch with an Autotranny and an upgraded torque converter and watch all the evil launching demons go away.

I'm sorry but the manual guys always slam us. Hehe!
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Old 10-26-2001, 08:20 AM   #23
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OUCH!!! your poor cars
What are you doing dumping the clutch at 5k?
You can get just as good if not a better launch at 3.5k and bringing the clutch up rather than slipping it, it does take practice thou and it doesnt naff everything up as much either!!

JcBlack, your car will do this as i take it its new?? its just the transmission running in as its still tight but it will go in the end (mine did after a few thousand miles) so dont worry too much about it, you will get it doing changes when your accellerating too

Warranty issues!!
Its been common over here in the UK that Subaru have printed in the service manual that your warranty will be void if your car is raced or involved in any sort of time trial, so if your caught on camera its tough, also they can tell by the colouring on the clutch plate (english way of spelling guys ) as if its blue its been abused a little too much!!

Hope this helps :P

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Old 10-26-2001, 08:49 AM   #24
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"Why can't I launch like all the honduhs do?" "SOA won't cover my attempt to look cool(idiot)" "I can't believe insurance keeps going up on my WRX"

Al Pacino when asked if it is ok to drop the clutch at 5k."Forget about it."
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