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Old 04-10-2001, 01:51 AM   #1
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Question Nose Slide? help

Ok here is my problem I have a 98 stock suspension stock rims on 50 series kuhmos
when a little wet out and I am just a little aggressive around a left or right turn I feel the front end start to slide which personally I hate the feeling I feel more comfortable if the rear breaks before the front is there a way to alter suspensions so the front wouldn't break first? Plus this is at low speeds and not that aggressive are all kuhmos like this?
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Old 04-10-2001, 04:11 AM   #2
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Try these, It'll help:

1) Your front camber is adjustable, go to an alignment shop and have it adjusted to max Negative camber.

2) Go buy a Whiteline Anti-Lift kit, this adds a little caster, helps in the turn ins as well as adding some more negative while the wheel is turned.

3) Go have fun...

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Old 04-10-2001, 04:37 AM   #3
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Is it the same as understeer?
well, I guess ur enter speed is too high...
an 20mm anti-roll bar will make the car natural oversteer, which will bring the rear out... try do search in the forums on "sway bar", I saw many posts before that's related!
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Old 04-10-2001, 06:48 AM   #4
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Max negative camber will wear out the inside of the tire while the outside looks perfect. Since the outside looks good, you have no idea the tires are prone to failure. My neighbor had this problem with her Civic. She had no idea what happened when both front tires blew out on the highway. I took one look at her wheels and could tell she needs camber adjustment. If your using the car for racing, and will check tire conditions regularly then do the camber adjustments. If not , you run the risk of having a blow out. I would get an adjustable sway-bar if I were you. 18-20-22mm

JoeT- is caster the same as "toe-in"
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Old 04-10-2001, 07:21 AM   #5
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No castor is the angle at which the strut is laying front to rear. It's usually not adjustable or minimally adjustable. As for the understeer try one simply thing first, play with tire presures. Try putting a few more lbs in the rear tires. Might help although I agree a larger rear sway bar is probably your best choice.
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Old 04-10-2001, 08:15 AM   #6
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2 words:

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'Nuff said. Will make the car feel more "neutral" rather than tend to understeer (front tires 'sliding' first).

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Old 04-10-2001, 09:00 AM   #7
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Yes, Forget all that camber stuff. More work with less result. If you have the stock suspension, GET A BIGGER REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR! An 18mm will do well with the stock suspension.
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Old 04-10-2001, 09:25 AM   #8
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Mav1c is right. The 18mm bar is excellent for the stock suspension. One more secret: run the front ties with three pounds more pressure than the rear ones. This will decrease understeer but more importantly, you will feel a distinctively more possitive rotation of the car (read you will have the sensation that the car is rotating from the center rather than than simply turning at the front).
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Old 04-10-2001, 09:52 AM   #9
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screw all them, get a 20mm and start racing in the rallies!!! haha
The sway work wonders on mine, 80 bux from sugar, took me about 20 minutes to install!
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Old 04-10-2001, 10:02 AM   #10
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It was my understanding to help negate understeer you should put several more pounds of air in the FRONT tires.

This is what I do on my car and it helps with the understeer issues. I run 36psi front and 34psi rear normal driving. Offroad I do 26psi front 26psi rear and for 'spirited pavement driving (read: autox without the cones)' I do 40psi front and 38psi rear.

Recomended pressure for my car on the door pillar is something like 29 front 30 rear which is silly.
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Old 04-10-2001, 11:08 AM   #11
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Use left foot braking... moves the weight forward...
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Old 04-11-2001, 12:09 AM   #12
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More rear tire pressure. I have Kumhos to, and I dont get the understeer push like that in the wet. My suspension is also far from stock. Get a rear 20mm bar and slow down a bit at corner entry, then turn in and gas it!
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