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Old 10-23-2006, 09:42 AM   #1
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Default OT Gym Rats - Supplement Encyclopedia v.2

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I'm back in the gym after a several year hiatus and the goal is to rebuild some lost muscle tone but more importantly to lose the pounds I put on after my metabolism took a header off a ten story building. I'm 6'2" and my lean weight is 178lbs (per the fat caliper test my old trainer did) with recommended around 212lbs. At my fitness peak, I was around 235lbs (very low body fat at the time). The 50 or so lbs of muscle tone I had built turned into alot more fat when I turned 30 years old and stopped my routine.

What does OT recommend for a safe supplement for an energy and metabolism kick? Back when I was a gym rat, I was taking TwinLab's 'Diet Fuel' in the morning to help motivate me to lift at 4:30-6:30am (hard to wake up!). Hydroxycut was the last thing I tried but harder to find now.

Yes, I'm eating right (no regular soda, lots of water, low sugar and fat diet and reasonable portions and caloric intake) and doing cardio - 30 minutes or more on a crosstrainer every night with lifting sessions M/W/F at 5am and one or two more nightly as time allows. I'll also start a running regimen again next week and cut back on the crosstrainer (hate it!), as it's the quickest way to boost metabolism naturally.

CN: Turned 30 and metabolism sucks. Need healthy supplement to assist fitness program in turning things around.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:07 PM   #2
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Core flex, by core nutrition. One of the most complete joint formulas out there. And AN osteo sport is underdosed in many ways, but it's primarily a strong enzyme supp, and it worked wonders for my father in law.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:15 PM   #3
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Core flex, by core nutrition. One of the most complete joint formulas out there. And AN osteo sport is underdosed in many ways, but it's primarily a strong enzyme supp, and it worked wonders for my father in law.
Gonna compare with Triflex, its a bit cheaper (referring to Core Flex).

You think I should buy Sam-E too with either choice? Just noticed they sell it separately at GNC.

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Old 08-09-2012, 09:05 PM   #4
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Use core flex for 3 months, then add sam e if you need or like, otherwise you won't know what's working.

And don't buy at gnc, jesus. Try getrippednutrition.com. or sportsnutritiononline.com.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:53 PM   #5
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Gonna compare with Triflex, its a bit cheaper (referring to Core Flex).

You think I should buy Sam-E too with either choice? Just noticed they sell it separately at GNC.
I'd just stick with the triflex to be honest.

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Use core flex for 3 months, then add sam e if you need or like, otherwise you won't know what's working.

And don't buy at gnc, jesus. Try getrippednutrition.com. or sportsnutritiononline.com.
This. Also don't expect immediate results. For me it took several months but it made a night and day difference. Also, don't use gnc.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:56 PM   #6
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Use core flex for 3 months, then add sam e if you need or like, otherwise you won't know what's working.

And don't buy at gnc, jesus. Try getrippednutrition.com. or sportsnutritiononline.com.
Think Ill do that. Thanks.

I dont buy from GNC ever. I mentioned them since Triflex is only sold by them.

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I'd just stick with the triflex to be honest.

This. Also don't expect immediate results. For me it took several months but it made a night and day difference. Also, don't use gnc.
Thanks. Im gonna research both before I make a decision.

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Old 08-13-2012, 06:41 PM   #7
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What is OT's take on this as a protein supplement. Seems pretty cheap...


edit: By the way, the reason I'm considering this is that regular protein powder (whey and casein, but whey is the worst) really makes me sick to my stomach.

http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Protein-Fiber-Pound/dp/B0012C2GFM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:43 PM   #8
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AHHHHH we are over 10,000 posts! Im actually happy now. Maybe the new thread will start out simple for me
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:58 AM   #9
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Is there a new thread yet?
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:20 PM   #10
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So how many iu of Vitamin D each day?
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:32 PM   #11
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Have you had your level checked?

Also remember vit D is fat soluble, so try to take it with a meal, or even with your fish oil. Robb Wolf recommends Carlson's Vitamin D drops as the most bioavailable source.

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Old 08-14-2012, 11:35 PM   #12
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I use this stuff.
http://www.amazon.com/Biotics-Research-Bio-D-Mulsion-Forte-1oz/dp/B000UQOCCQ
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:22 AM   #14
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vitamin d? How about a 25-35min walk outside?
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:37 AM   #15
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Had blood work done this summer, been outside a lot between walking the dogs 2x a day (in the sun), cutting down trees, putting up fences, etc. Even with taking 8000 IU's a day I'm deficient. I also take it with my fish oil and a meal. I figure that they say it plays a large role in cardiovascular health and cancer prevention (I'm not saying it does.. they did), and my family's riddled with both so.. yeah. It's not expensive.

doc: "blah blah..the father away from the equator, the less you get..blah blah"

But I did learn that sunblock also blocks (maybe inhibits is a better word) vitamin D production, even if it is just spf8.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:52 AM   #16
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vitamin d? How about a 25-35min walk outside?
You'd be surprised how little that will raise your levels in most parts of the country.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:06 AM   #17
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Antibacterial Chemical in Toothpaste, Soaps Could Impair Muscle Functions

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An antibacterial agent, called triclosan, found commonly in found in soap, toothpaste, clothes and hampers muscle function in animals and fish and may have implications for human health, researchers have found.

The researchers, after testing the substance on mice and fish concluded that that it affects muscle strength including heart function. After the usage of the substance, fishes showed a low capacity of swimming.

"Triclosan is found in virtually everyone's home and is pervasive in the environment," said Isaac Pessah, professor and chair of the Department of Molecular Biosciences in the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine and principal investigator of the study, according to Telegraph.

"These findings provide strong evidence that the chemical is of concern to both human and environmental health."

The amount of substance to which the animals and fish were exposed was equal to the amount that human beings receive ever day on an average.

According to researchers, triclosan affects the contraction capacity of the heart and skeletal muscles in living animals. When the chemical was exposed on anaesthetized mice, their heart function dropped by 25 percent within 20 minutes of the exposure, telegraph reported.

"The effects of triclosan on cardiac function were really dramatic," Nipavan Chiamvimonvat, professor of cardiovascular medicine at UC Davis and a study co-author, said.

"Although triclosan is not regulated as a drug, this compound acts like a potent cardiac depressant in our models."

"We were surprised by the large degree to which muscle activity was impaired in very different organisms and in both cardiac and skeletal muscle," Bruce Hammock, a study co-author and professor in the University of California Davis' Department of Entomology said.

"You can imagine in animals that depend so totally on muscle activity that even a 10 per cent reduction in ability can make a real difference in their survival."

"Triclosan can be useful in some instances, however, it has become a ubiquitous 'value added' marketing factor that actually could be more harmful than helpful. At the very least, our findings call for a dramatic reduction in its use."

However, more studies need to be undertaken in order to establish the effect triclosan has on human muscles, the researchers said.

The findings were published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:09 AM   #19
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Almost time to re-up on protein. (subscribe)

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I've always been pretty turned off by supplements as I figured eating healthy on a daily basis should suffice but I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to try something.

Can you guys recommend a good pre and post work out supplement?
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I'll let the others chime in on specific pre & post items. I just try to hit pre-workout up with a light protein + carb meal about 1 hr before and the post workout I usually do 2:1 carbs / protein if possible within ~1hr.

Side note: Has anyone ever had your shipment arrive from Truenutrition the same day you receive an email with the tracking number? I ordered on Wed / Thurs of last week and just got a tracking number today. It's out for delivery as we speak.
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I've always been pretty turned off by supplements as I figured eating healthy on a daily basis should suffice but I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to try something.

Can you guys recommend a good pre and post work out supplement?
post workout, I take a 50gr shake just to get enough protein for the day and only if I haven't had enough meat by that time of the day. Otherwise I just eat lots of meat. I try to aim for 200-220Gr of protein/day
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I've always been pretty turned off by supplements as I figured eating healthy on a daily basis should suffice but I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to try something.

Can you guys recommend a good pre and post work out supplement?
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I'll let the others chime in on specific pre & post items. I just try to hit pre-workout up with a light protein + carb meal about 1 hr before and the post workout I usually do 2:1 carbs / protein if possible within ~1hr.
I typically eat lunch around noon, snack at 3, and a banana before the gym at 5:30. Don't get to dinner until around an hour after my work out. I've been told that it's best to have a high protein meal with in 30 min of any heavy resistance training. Thus looking for something I can drink immediately after work out that will hit my required protein intake. Currently 6'-3" 180 pounds so I'm trying to get around 200 grams of protein daily.

Main problem is that there about 50 million different options out there and I just need some solid advice to point me in the right direction...

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I've always been pretty turned off by supplements as I figured eating healthy on a daily basis should suffice but I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to try something.

Can you guys recommend a good pre and post work out supplement?
Pre for me is usually:
1 cup Greek yogurt (unflavored)
6oz blueberries
1cup oatmeal
4 cinnamon capsules
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Post:
48 grams protein
1 banana
1/2cup oatmeal powder
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I typically eat lunch around noon, snack at 3, and a banana before the gym at 5:30. Don't get to dinner until around an hour after my work out. I've been told that it's best to have a high protein meal with in 30 min of any heavy resistance training. Thus looking for something I can drink immediately after work out that will hit my required protein intake. Currently 6'-3" 180 pounds so I'm trying to get around 200 grams of protein daily.

Main problem is that there about 50 million different options out there and I just need some solid advice to point me in the right direction...
For post work out protein I personally suggest optimum nutrition.
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