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Old 02-07-2007, 12:16 PM   #1
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I've run these pads for several years (not the same ones ) and their performance has kept from migrating to anything else.

For a little background- my car is a 04 wagon that has been through several suspension iterations- from the pretty mild oe v7 STi wagon setup to the current STi Tarmac/Koni combo- moderate sized sway bars w/ alignment that has varied from -1.5 front to -2.5 front, rear has always been ~ -1.5. Toe has varied from 0 to a little toe out f/r. Power is mild ~ 230/230 to the wheels.

Brakes started w/ the stock 2/1 sliders and are currently FHI 4/2 opposed (I've run Ferodo w/ both setups).

For a couple of years I ran DS2500's front and rear for both "street" and track days. For a pad to operate (effectively!) in such a wide environs was pretty remarkable to me. There are not many truly streetable/track capable pads around. The friction coefficient on the 2500's is clearly higher than the oe pads, this you'll this find out readily as you bed them in You'll also find out that they operate effectively in a very wide temp range- I run these pads year round- winter temps are often well (well) below zero. Cold bite is not a problem whatsoever. At the track they have never faded, I know temps are getting very high as I've had adhesive wheel weights melted off

It's been so long since I've run oe pads I can't say with certainty how the noise compares, suffice to say these pads are relatively quiet (I do swear by the oe copper colored pad goop). I do occasionally get a slight squeal w/ light braking, not very often.

These do dust more than stock. I don't find them to be overly dusty, but quite frankly dust is not a giant concern for me

These pads wear very well, much more than you would think for a relatively aggressive pad. These pads are VERY easy on rotors, one of the big pluses in my book. The material is very firm, very little compression- you'd be surprised to do a back to back w/ oe type pads how much a pad can compress under heavy braking.

DS3000- after a couple of years of running the 2500's at the track, I wanted to give a race pad a go. Thus far I've only rn 3000's front (2500's rear)- this year I'm going run them front and rear. I was concerned w/ pad compatibility between my street and track pads (I use the same set of rotors) so I felt sticking with Ferodo would make sense. I was right First the 3000's are a track pad, not a street pad. These do need a little heat them to get them to bite. I think you'd be fine driving to a track event w/ them (using common sense), but not for everyday.

Bite- hard to explain how well these bite. My first outing with them had me braking much too early (using my old braking points) I was slowly able to considerably move all my braking points up. As expected no fading problems w/ these- these have a very high operating temp. Noise and dust- yup Back to compatibility, I simply swap pads- do a short bed in and I'm good to go- ether direction, the pad material is VERY compatible.

These pads are also pretty easy on rotors (not as easy as the 2500's) too- again a big plus in my book as rotors aren't exactly cheap. Longevity- clearly not as long lived as the 2500's, but still "reasonable" for a track pad IMO.

The 2500's are now relegated to street/autox/canyon carving and occasionally track day duties.

Downside with both pads- they are not giving away the Ferodo's, they are pricey (there are not the priciest pads on the market, not the cheapest either). Having said that, their performance, longevity and rotor friendliness make the price of admission completely worthwhile.

I'm at heart a guy that like to experiment (the reason my suspension is changed on a near annual basis), but I've been so thoroughly impressed with the Ferodos I haven't given any serious considerations to changing
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Old 02-07-2007, 02:29 PM   #2
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Good write-up BigSky! I'm actually going to give the DS2500 pads a try as my "do-it-all" pads for my STI. It sounds like they can do everything well.
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:32 AM   #3
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i fully believe in Ferodo pads.. after going from stockers to fooling around on Hawk hps pads, to going to Ferodo DS2500's, i'll never go back. ever.

these pads are simply too good to go to something else.. i love the fact that i can drive them at -10 at the ice track, and then take them to an Auto-x in the summer and they are just as good...

one thing that i've had an issue with.. and maybe Bigsky u can comment on this..

When i apply my brakes after accelerating or pulling out of a stop.. the brakes make a loud "pop or a CLICK" when i press them.. i had the shop look at them after i coudlnt figure it out.. and they said it was just the pad sliding around in the caliper... which seems strange to me.. the brakes are great.. no stopping issues.. just a click most every time i put the brakes on..

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Old 02-09-2007, 03:56 AM   #4
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Good write up, Im currently on ds2500 I used them for my last track day, and they're great for daily driving aswell alot less dust than stock brembo pads...
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:28 AM   #5
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I'd pull the offending side and check all the hardware, give it another coat of antisqueal, if that doesn't do it, could possiblly be a piston hanging up- you might have to rebuild that caliper
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I agree with everything Mike said about the DS2500s. In my opinion they are the best street/track pad out there. I have the 06+ USDM 4-pot/2-pot brakes on my 2004 WRX Sedan.

I've used OEM pads, EBC Red Stuff Ceramic, and Ferodo DS2500 pads on the street and track. The DS2500s are EASILY the best street/track pad I've used to day. The only rotors I've used are the regular OEM rotors.
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I have had great luck with 2500s also.When it was time to replace the OEs i went with the Ferodo 2500s after seeing some good feedback from a few people on here.I will buy again.Brad
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I've used both DS2500 and DS3000. I use the DS2500 as my street pad. The DS3000 are almost too much on the track. I toasted a set of front rotors because I was able to brake so hard (cracks in the rotors). I have yet to put in brake ducts.

Now I use EBC yellow stuff on the track.
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BIGSKYWRX, where did you get the Ferodo pads for your stock calipers? Most of the vendors I spoke to said the DS2500s weren't made for the 04 WRX. Only RavSpec said they'd have the pad, but it was always on order (one phone call they say 1 week, another call they say 1 month).

I was hoping to run these pads, but due to lack of immediate availability, I have to go back to Carbotech Panther Pluses (now called AX6), which fade in later sessions at the track.
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BIGSKYWRX, where did you get the Ferodo pads for your stock calipers? Most of the vendors I spoke to said the DS2500s weren't made for the 04 WRX. Only RavSpec said they'd have the pad, but it was always on order (one phone call they say 1 week, another call they say 1 month).

I was hoping to run these pads, but due to lack of immediate availability, I have to go back to Carbotech Panther Pluses (now called AX6), which fade in later sessions at the track.
BIGSKYWRX has Subaru 4-pot front brake calipers (USDM MY2006-on WRX).

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Brakes started w/ the stock 2/1 sliders and are currently FHI 4/2 opposed (I've run Ferodo w/ both setups).
I ran the Ferodos w/ my old 02 sedan . I'm not sure if they are offered in the "newer" style 2 pot slider, IIRC they are not.

In the rear swapping the caliper brackets changes the pad shape, I'm not sure if that is the case for the fronts- 02/part 03 vs part 03-05. If it was a guy could just swap in 02 front brackets.

One of several advantages of the 4 pots is pad selection

^^ the 3000's do bite. I've found them to be relatively easy on rotors though, the pads go relatively quick, but didn't notice any undo harm on the rotors.
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I've had great luck with HPE days on the DS2500. I also tried the Hawks but they wore the crud out of my rotors, and no more bite than the 2500s. Good track/daily driver pad. I'm moving up to DS3000 for this track season.
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^ I don't think you'll be disappointed
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I used the 2500s for my first track day @ Gingerman. After seven 20-minute sessions, no fade. (I swapped my front calipers to an '02 caliper & I've got an H6 setup in the rear.) I'll see how these pads do when winter comes - I'm hoping I can leave them on year-round.
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Nice write up BIGSKY. i also like to experiment and am on a set of HP+ right now, not really into it. harsh on rotors and noisy. but bite is great. I plan on going to 2500's next year, but what rotors would you guys recommend? i'm currently considering the stoptech, racing brake, or powerslot slotted rotors front and rear. any expert opinions on those choices? tia

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Girodisc makes great 2-piece rotors. STi fitment only I believe.
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I've had very good luck w/ DBA rotors- I've run multiple sets of both their 4000 and 5000 (two piece) rotors on my previous two WRX's. They wear well and handle high heat (track days) w/o too much complaint
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As far as DS2500 for track use. Yes, they work very well, no fade (fade is more about brake fluid anyway). But they wear down FAST. Two track days w/20 minute sessions - about half pads were left. Another day with 40 minute sessions - the pads worn down at twice the rate. They don't take sustained heat too well.
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two+ full track days I would consider very good wear

3000's make for a better track pad- take the heat better and have better bite, 2500 makes for a better spirited daily driver/autox pad
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It's not bad, I am just saying that with longer sessions the wear accelerated. Or maybe I was driving harder?
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ahh got ya 40 minute sessions are looooong!
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For those looking for DS2500 4-pot/2-pot brake pads, here's a decent link.

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop...3_562_649.html

YinUCSD, I'm guessing you found the rear 2-pot DS2500 pads after your original reply and edited it.
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two+ full track days I would consider very good wear

3000's make for a better track pad- take the heat better and have better bite, 2500 makes for a better spirited daily driver/autox pad
Yeah... 50% pad use on 2 full track days with a LGT? That translates to 25% pad usage per track day. I thought that sounds about right.

I love the DS2500 on my stage 1 06WRX wagon and am having a hard time trying something else. I've taken them to Thunderhill, Laguna Seca, and Infineon and never had any problems. (Consumption was about 25% in the front, rear was negligible... lessee that's ~$40 pad consumption) Plus, I daily drive with these things, as well as autox and rallyx.

Definitely firmer pedal feel. I live in California and haven't gone to the snow with these though. They are quiet and consistent. They dust a brownish clinging dust which makes my silver wheels look bronze, but this is a worth it trade off.

Biggest complaint is price... but you pay for what you get.

So far, I'm not sure when I'm going to need to use DS3000's at the track because so far I haven't needed to. Maybe it's because I only run 225 summer tires, only have stage 1 power, and don't push the limits that hard. I purposely lift a little early at the end of the straights to make sure my entry is not too hot.
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I will resurect this, as I was looking for the answer for the 2500 vs 3000 question.
My application is more strange. I am looking to maximize the initial brake bite in my 1994 Mercedes E420.
I know about the 2500 because I had the same compound on my Brembo GT, on my WRX
The most awesome part about them for me was that feel of lack of "compression", as soon as you step on the pedal, there is a firmness in response that I did not find with other pads, with the Brembo GT on the WRX.

I think Mercedes designed a small amount of "softness" in the initial brake response, to add to the general feel of smoothness, of the car.

I'm looking to remove this from my braking. So I surprisingly found not only DS2500 available for this car, but also DS3000 available, at a lower price.

The description on the page reads in terms of strong initial braking even on cold for the 3000 as well.

So I appreciate the review and will stick with 2500.
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