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Old 06-10-2007, 02:06 AM   #1
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I'm looking to flash my 06 sti with a stage1 cobb like map. I see the XPT maps online for $59 but I'm not so sure this is what I want. Why buy a map if you have to go get it protuned? I want to plug and play , set it and forget it and not have to worry about anything. something that will work good in the hot texas heat, and not have to worry about blowing an engine. I've owned both versions of the AP, and have been stage-1 and stage-2. I have a tactrix cable and just looking for the best stg-1 map right now.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:54 AM   #2
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jesus.... I feel like i got blown off as if i were a noob...
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:00 AM   #3
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You can buy a XPT map and then log and tune it yourself. Thats probably the best way to get a safe tune for your car for 59 dollars. Some internet tuners will allow you to send your logs back to them and they will tweak it.
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Old 06-11-2007, 03:18 AM   #4
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is XPT the only company out that offers downloadable maps? i'd be happy with a cobb knock off to make sure it's safe. I had no issues with the cobb stg-1 map, but it's not worth the $400-695.

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Old 06-13-2007, 04:29 AM   #5
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:01 AM   #6
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if you search around, there are LOTS of fairly negative opinions about the xpt maps. nearly everyone has to do alot of tuning, and by the time they are done, they would have been better off starting with the commonly available open source map over on osecu. (which may be better then the xpt map anyway)
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:03 AM   #7
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There's no guarantee that any OTS map, even those from well known commercial tuners, will work without issues on your particular car. Your best bet is to find a local tuner that tunes with the open source tools and get a custom tune. Or if you decide to use an OTS map like XPT or whatever, make sure you data log so you can make sure everything is kosher.
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if you search around, there are LOTS of fairly negative opinions about the xpt maps. nearly everyone has to do alot of tuning, and by the time they are done, they would have been better off starting with the commonly available open source map over on osecu. (which may be better then the xpt map anyway)
+1. If you have the time to read and learn, it is really not that hard. Otherwise, finding a local tuner knowledgable in OpenECU to flash you a stage 1 is the way to go.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:29 PM   #9
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Old 06-14-2007, 01:10 AM   #10
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that would be stage-0. there's no one locally that can tune worth a flip. I ran a cobb OTS stg-1 map on my car and it was fine. is there a way to flash cobbs map onto an ecu without using their silly accessport? i owned a V2 AP and i dont' need all their silly features and glitches for $695. If someone knows or has a copy, PM me since i know i'll prob be flamed for posting this lol. I just know that this XPT map isn't the only other ption out there when it comes to buying/selling/trading maps.
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:21 AM   #11
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that would be stage-0. there's no one locally that can tune worth a flip. I ran a cobb OTS stg-1 map on my car and it was fine.
How do you know? Did you do any data logging?

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is there a way to flash cobbs map onto an ecu without using their silly accessport? i owned a V2 AP and i dont' need all their silly features and glitches for $695.
That's retarded. If you don't need the features of the V2 AP, then buy a used V1 AP which can be found for a reasonable price. Everyone who pirates maps with the OpenEcu apps just makes the whole OpenEcu community look bad. Grow a set and put a little money down for the V1 or learn to tune yourself.
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:30 AM   #12
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yesi did data log, and i have a set, owned both AP's and it's still not worth the money. My car isn't a test mule.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:02 AM   #13
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yesi did data log, and i have a set, owned both AP's and it's still not worth the money. My car isn't a test mule.
It isn't worth the money, yet your car isn't a "test mule". Sounds like your contradicting yourself. If you are that concerned about running a non-Cobb map, then be a man and pony up the cash for a used AP v 1. Don't use the free tools contributed to the community by hard working guys doing this for free in thier spare time so you can pirate maps. That is not why they created these tools in the first place and you and everyone else that does this just makes the whole open source project look bad.
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Old 06-17-2007, 12:42 PM   #14
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I'm with Mark on this one. I'd like to find a map similar to Cobb Stg 1 that I can flash and not have to do much tweaking. I don't understand how getting hosed out of $700 by Cobb equates to having balls but I guess I just don't have them.

I'd really like to see Cobb get a little more competition to drive thier price down. Hell, if you look at the diesel world they started with one or two companies doing handheld programmers. Now there are about a dozen handheld programmers available ranging from $300-$1000. Yes, Cobb is also in the range but it is rather low tech compared to some of the diesel programmers available.
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:07 PM   #15
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I'm with Mark on this one. I'd like to find a map similar to Cobb Stg 1 that I can flash and not have to do much tweaking. I don't understand how getting hosed out of $700 by Cobb equates to having balls but I guess I just don't have them.
He wants the exact Cobb map. There are stage 1 maps available from the openecu community. But if you absolutely feel you need to run the Cobb map and don't need the extra features that come with the AP v2 you can buy a used AP v1 for under $400. People that trade pirated Cobb maps and flash them with the OpenEcu tools makes the whole project look bad. That is where the balls come in. Pony up the dough instead of stealing the maps. Or use the OpenEcu tools to flash one of the available open source maps or even modify one these maps or a stock map to suit your purpose.
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:48 PM   #16
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So it is OK to steal something if you don't agree with the price being charged for it?
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Old 06-17-2007, 02:48 PM   #17
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if you search around, there are LOTS of fairly negative opinions about the xpt maps. nearly everyone has to do alot of tuning, and by the time they are done, they would have been better off starting with the commonly available open source map over on osecu. (which may be better then the xpt map anyway)
first off, there aren't any 'stage 1' xpt maps. the xpt maps that are offered require at least a turboback (stage 2 in the eyes of many). the point of the xpt map is that most of the tuning is done for you, given you have the required setup (turboback & k&n filter). sure you can tune it further but almost all XPT customers are satisfied with the OTS. most don't even have to tune it further. can't say the same for AP users.

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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1267555
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1277431
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:02 AM   #18
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well i'm looking for a cobb like stage-1 map so i can set it and forget it and not have to tune it to make it reliable. I'm happy with the throttle responce with a stage-1. cobb OTS maps are 95***37; safe from what i've been reading. every car is different but looks like the cobb maps aren't tweaked out as much as they could be and are safer. it's like cobb stg2 vs. ecutek v370. the power is there, but i'm not willing to give up a piston for a few more ponies. I just want something safe and practical without adding a downpipe or tune.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:44 AM   #19
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well i'm looking for a cobb like stage-1 map so i can set it and forget it and not have to tune it to make it reliable. I'm happy with the throttle responce with a stage-1. cobb OTS maps are 95% safe from what i've been reading. every car is different but looks like the cobb maps aren't tweaked out as much as they could be and are safer. it's like cobb stg2 vs. ecutek v370. the power is there, but i'm not willing to give up a piston for a few more ponies. I just want something safe and practical without adding a downpipe or tune.
It sounds like you answered you own question.....

Pick up a v1 AccessPort. I've seen then for < $400. I'd think that a $400 investment on a $30k+ car is reasonable for getting piece of mind.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:48 AM   #20
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I'm with Mark on this one. I'd like to find a map similar to Cobb Stg 1 that I can flash and not have to do much tweaking. I don't understand how getting hosed out of $700 by Cobb equates to having balls but I guess I just don't have them.

I'd really like to see Cobb get a little more competition to drive thier price down. Hell, if you look at the diesel world they started with one or two companies doing handheld programmers. Now there are about a dozen handheld programmers available ranging from $300-$1000. Yes, Cobb is also in the range but it is rather low tech compared to some of the diesel programmers available.
i'm also with these guys right here. i'm a diesel tech at a gmc dealership and i have lots of experience with tuning on a diesel, propane injection,tbe, intakes, nitrous, bigger turbos, trans upgrades and its amazing what they have out there for that type of vehicle. i wish they had this stuff for us, i'm learning how to use enginuity and ecuflash i'm just a little scared of blowin up my baby!! but there are alot of people out there that are willing to help you, dataloggin your car is a big part of tuning and understanding how your car runs. just dont be afraid of tuning and asking alot of question!!
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Old 08-20-2007, 01:19 AM   #21
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someone said there are some 06 sti stage-1 maps using the stock intake and stock exhaust on www.osceuroms.org i created an account and can't find what they are talking about, anyone have any idea?
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IMO, you should save up some money and get the cobb access port, that will give you less headache after. Plus, you can still use it for a later tune.
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:04 PM   #23
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someone said there are some 06 sti stage-1 maps using the stock intake and stock exhaust on www.osceuroms.org i created an account and can't find what they are talking about, anyone have any idea?
Here's one I found.

http://www.xpttuning.com/osecuroms/viewtopic.php?t=337

Keep in mind that all maps on the OSECU forums require logging and may require tweaking to run safely on your car.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:34 AM   #24
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thats an ADM map, not USDM.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:05 AM   #25
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It will work if you copy/paste the table values into your USDM stock rom.
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