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Old 06-12-2007, 04:50 PM   #1
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Default RE01R vs. Advan Neova

So there have been several events this year. Are the Bridgestones now running faster in STX and STU than the Neovas?
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Old 06-13-2007, 02:21 PM   #2
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In STX, no. The bridgestone to yok ratio is about 1/4. Yok>Bridgestone also per TireRack's tests. I haven't driven on either tire so I can't say, but test results, race results, and words of wisdom from some good drivers all say no.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:28 PM   #3
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The Neova runs VERY wide for it's size. Could be giving it the edge. If they were cheaper, I would probably get them. RE01R's are closer to my price range though.
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Old 06-13-2007, 04:50 PM   #4
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for those of you with short gearing (and big courses), 245/45/17 ftw
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:45 PM   #5
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Grass Roots Motorsport just did a test on these two tires.

AutoX 1) Falken 615s, 2) Yoko's, 3) REO1R's

Track 1) 615's, 2) REO1R's 3) Yoko's

I've got the REO1R's on my wagon and love them. I haven't done an autoX but I have done several spirited drives and a track day.
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:47 PM   #6
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I suggest you take at last years STU results at Nationals for what was the most popular tire. The Bridgestone is doing well this year, but you never really know until all the big hitters meet up.
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:54 PM   #7
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while we all love grassrootsmotorsports, I agree, the best thing to do is what you're doing, go check all the NT results so far this year, and the nationals from last year. another variable though, is Bridgestone offering contingency money? if not, the results will be swayed towards Yokohoma, or which ever one is offering the sweetest price.
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:13 PM   #8
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while we all love grassrootsmotorsports, I agree, the best thing to do is what you're doing, go check all the NT results so far this year, and the nationals from last year. another variable though, is Bridgestone offering contingency money? if not, the results will be swayed towards Yokohoma, or which ever one is offering the sweetest price.
B-stone is doing contingencies this year, for sure. Lots of folks running them at the Houston Tour event.

FWIW, I have Neovas (love the crap outta them, stick like glue!) but have heard glowing reports of the 'stones. Had they been as cheap as they are currently (especially w/the refund), I'd be on them now...b/c at the end of the day, I'm a cheap s.o.b. and saving, what.. $200? on tires is right up my alley.
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:16 PM   #9
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Bridgestone offers contingency. They are nowhere near as wide as the yokohamas, and the sidewall is a bit softer. RE01Rs are sticky though and a 245/45 would come in handy on some courses. They are also cheap compared to the yokohamas ($980 shaved)

FWIW, crash 477 stomped my ass at the Huntsville NT and I was on yokes, he was on RE01R's. But he also beat me on azenis at Dixie, so I just figure he's faster anyway.
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Old 06-13-2007, 10:27 PM   #10
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FWIW, I have Neovas (love the crap outta them, stick like glue!) but have heard glowing reports of the 'stones.
I ran both on our old STi. The Bridgestones (not any cheaper at the time!) were good but the yokes had better lateral grip (maybe a product of the shorter sidewall?). The bridgestones excelled under braking, very good stopping (and starting) grip... very good. I'd still settle for the Bridgestones to get the taller tire (gearing) though (if I were to do it again)... but, fortunately I'm limited to 225's now. w00t. Yokes will be my next tire.
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Old 06-13-2007, 10:42 PM   #11
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I ran both on our old STi. The Bridgestones (not any cheaper at the time!) were good but the yokes had better lateral grip (maybe a product of the shorter sidewall?). The bridgestones excelled under braking, very good stopping (and starting) grip... very good. I'd still settle for the Bridgestones to get the taller tire (gearing) though (if I were to do it again)... but, fortunately I'm limited to 225's now. w00t. Yokes will be my next tire.
Intersting obseravtion Doug. I haven't run the B'stones, but I thought that the Yok's had phoenominal longitudinal grip. I was afraid I'd have to give that up if I made the switch. I'll be needing something by the Packwood nat'l events.

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I <3 my RE01R's, but never driven Neova's
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:38 AM   #13
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I've never driven the Neova, but LOVE the RE-01R!! It is a great tire!

this is copied from www.potenza.com
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Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R Tire Performance Summary:Bridgestone drivers, relying on their Potenza RE-01R tires for consistency, grip and durability, swept the top spot in four classes - including STU for the first time this year (me) - and held nine of 12 podium spots in the SCCA Street Touring series at Milton Frank Stadium in Huntsville, Ala. In all, Bridgestone equipped 17 of the 38 drivers participating (44 percent of the field) who represented 75 percent of the podium spots.
Its obviosly a great tire! My personal opinion, and I know that doesnt count for much, is that one of the hot shoe drivers ran on the Yoko's and said they were great, so everyone went out and bought them and everyone was on them, so there wasnt much to compare to at national events.. lets say, people jumped on the band wagon. Now with Bridgestone offering great contingency, more people will start to try them, and love them!

Plus, there is a nice $100 rebate on them if your an SCCA member!

I also got FTD and FTP on the RE-01Rs at one of my local events!
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Old 06-14-2007, 05:29 AM   #14
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Check out this Thread ... with commentary from Barco who did back to back tests with new shaved 6156's, RE-01R's and Yok's. Changed his sponsorship based on the test. His car won STX at last years Nationals ... using the Yok's.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=RE-01R

There is evidence that the RE-01R is THE tire for STS Civics ... because it comes in the right size and the Yok's don't. Perhaps the RE-01R also does better with less weight ... it's sidewalls are softer then the Yok's ... which is perhaps also why the RE-01R is so vague at the limit on WRX's and STI's. Would the softer side wall help it under acceleration and braking?
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:56 AM   #15
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Would the softer side wall help it under acceleration and braking?
Well, to take an example to the extreme. Think about how much you see a tires sidewall wrinkle on a drag car with drag slicks or radials.

So I would say yes.
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:55 AM   #16
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Ot: Re01r > Re070?
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:11 AM   #17
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Well, to take an example to the extreme. Think about how much you see a tires sidewall wrinkle on a drag car with drag slicks or radials.

So I would say yes.
Wow as soon as I read his comment above I instantly thought of this as well.
check these out :




Just look at those tires crumple!
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Ot: Re01r > Re070?
absolutely.
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:43 PM   #19
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I've never driven the Neova, but LOVE the RE-01R!! It is a great tire!

this is copied from www.potenza.com


Its obviosly a great tire! My personal opinion, and I know that doesnt count for much, is that one of the hot shoe drivers ran on the Yoko's and said they were great, so everyone went out and bought them and everyone was on them, so there wasnt much to compare to at national events.. lets say, people jumped on the band wagon. Now with Bridgestone offering great contingency, more people will start to try them, and love them!

Plus, there is a nice $100 rebate on them if your an SCCA member!

I also got FTD and FTP on the RE-01Rs at one of my local events!
That is not the case. The Yoks were available so testing was performed and they were clearly better that the Azenis. The Bridgestones showed up later and had zero contingency so there was not incentive to test them at that time. That has since changed, they are now readily available at a much cheaper price point compared to the Yoks and they offer a very good contingency program.

I have gone through four sets of Yoks (shaved and unshaved) so I know what they are like and I am on my first set of shaved Bridgestones. I have several events on them and some testing. At this time I am still undecided which is the better tire. The Yoks feel better in transition and have a better (read stiffer) sidewall. I think the compound on the Bridgestones is a tiny bit softer (grippier) and seems to be less heat sensitive even when really hot. But... they feel kind of numb at turn in, I find them a slight bit harder to gauge in slaloms. On the flip side I like them better in steady state, they are easier to drive at the edge and more forgiving than the Yoks.

So for my 2 cents I would say that if the Bridgestone had better sidewalls it would clearly be the winner, but since it doesn't I think it is a toss up at this point.

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ps: The Bridgestones require more camber than the Yoks and that could be a problem for some people. I ran -3.2 on the Yoks and now run -3.8 on the Bridgestones. This was determined by skidpad testing with a radar gun and a probe pyrometer.

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That is not the case. The Yoks were available so testing was performed and they were clearly better that the Azenis. The Bridgestones showed up later and had zero contingency so there was not incentive to test them at that time. That has since changed, they are now readily available at a much cheaper price point compared to the Yoks and they offer a very good contingency program.

I have gone through four sets of Yoks (shaved and unshaved) so I know what they are like and I am on my first set of shaved Bridgestones. I have several events on them and some testing. At this time I am still undecided which is the better tire. The Yoks feel better in transition and have a better (read stiffer) sidewall. I think the compound on the Bridgestones is a tiny bit softer (grippier) and seems to be less heat sensitive even when really hot. But... they feel kind of numb at turn in, I find them a slight bit harder to gauge in slaloms. On the flip side I like them better in steady state, they are easier to drive at the edge and more forgiving than the Yoks.

So for my 2 cents I would say that if the Bridgestone had better sidewalls it would clearly be the winner, but since it doesn't I think it is a toss up at this point.

-Paul

ps: The Bridgestones require more camber than the Yoks and that could be a problem for some people. I ran -3.2 on the Yoks and now run -3.8 on the Bridgestones. This was determined by skidpad testing with a radar gun and a probe pyrometer.

Good write up. Wish I had a place to do testing like that. I got to get to know some people with big parking lots.

Oh and can I ask how wide of a wheel you used for both tires?
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I think the compound on the Bridgestones is a tiny bit softer
I agree, although they might be more than just a tiny bit softer, my co-driver and I went through our set in two months (they were unshaved even). this was in the middle of the summer last year, smack dab in the thick of our autocross season. So, lots of runs, but they still wore very quickly.
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Good write up. Wish I had a place to do testing like that. I got to get to know some people with big parking lots.

Oh and can I ask how wide of a wheel you used for both tires?
I don't want to speak too much for Paul, but I'm about 99% sure he had 17x9s for the Yoks and Re01Rs b/c I copied him on his rims + tires setup (well, when he had Yoks, I had the same tires too). He has a set of Kosei K1-TS's (as do I, since January of this year.. he's had his longer).
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very good stopping (and starting) grip... very good.
Come to think of it, I tore my motor mounts the very first time I did a decent launch on the RE01-Rs. Maybe that wasent a coincidence
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ive never driven on the neovas, but the re-01rs were pretty good out of the box. though i wish they would have a stiffer sidewall like the re070 but the tread compound is very sticky. price wise the bridgestones have the upper hand.
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I wrote this about the Bridgestone RE-01r's tires when I first put them on.

This is my new all around tire, it is great on the street and outstanding on the track. I recently tested the tires at ButtonWillow Motorsports park on a day that reached over 100 degrees. The grip was right up there with the RA1s that I normally use. Very predictable on the track, I even lowered the tire pressure 3-4 psi and still did not have tire roll on the track. The tires had no chunking and the tire wear was not even noticed, they just looked scrubbed in. I love these tires, bye bye RA1s.

After having these tire for a year with 10-15 track days, they were done.
Now of course an "R" compound tire will give you a faster lap time. If you drive well you can hang with the "R" folks. The tire just seemed to last for ever for me.
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