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Old 07-07-2007, 06:07 PM   #1
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Default What do you guys think of my 60 fts?

I'm not much into drag racing, but I like to go to the strip every now and then just for fun... and to work on my launches...

My WRX engine-wise is all stock, except for a gutted stock uppipe, resonator hack, Fram air filter, and no muffler. It is a 2002 WRX wagon.

Here are my progression of times... I try to work on getting the 60fts down in time... but am usually disappointed. What should I be running (track is at about 5500 feet) for the 60ft and quarter? My all time best is 15.19x with the same setup.

Are these times any good (at least the 60fts?) They seemingly aren't that good. I am kind of hesitant to launch hard, as I don't want to drop my tranny at the start

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1. 15.466, 2.219
2. 15.345, 2.079
3. 15.450, 2.197
4. 15.348, 2.246
5. 15.776, 2.288
6. 15.643, 2.260
7. 15.320, 2.184
8. 15.283, 2.147
9. 15.490, 2.225
10. 15.911, 2.423
11. 15.730, 2.254
12. 15.750, 2.123
13. 15.910, 2.481
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Old 07-07-2007, 06:42 PM   #2
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the second one is good for stock wrx, the 2.0 60'. Since you know you are holding back at launch, then you probably already know what you need to do to get it down.

But if your having fun out there, and you dont want to launch it hard then no big deal. It your car man, noone wants to lunch their tranny.. i always went to the track under the assumption that i was going to but it never happened with my stock 5spd.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:53 PM   #3
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research launching/shifting techniques here on nasioc
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:14 PM   #4
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those times suck. ive hit better times on street tires in 2wd cars.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:31 PM   #5
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Yeah that 2.0 second 60ft was when the track was having some issues... my friend in his mustang had a hard time getting traction in the right lane... I beat him when I was in the left lane. Then we swapped - so that I was in the right, and he was in the left. On the launch I was able to spin all 4 tires, the car got a bit squirelly, the engine bogged slightly, but I took off real fast... definitely a fast launch. That one was fun! I just gotta learn to do that more consistently.

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those times suck. ive hit better times on street tires in 2wd cars.
Thanks dude... way to be a pal. As mentioned, I'm an autocrosser, not a drag racer, so keep that in mind... I live for the corners.
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Old 07-07-2007, 09:16 PM   #6
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yeah i have about the same 60 fts. and they arent good. but u already know that ur taking it easy. i have been too. so if u for sure dont want to abuse the tranny then ur doing it right.
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Old 07-08-2007, 03:57 PM   #7
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U need to learn to drive. 15's in a wrx is BAD. that means neons and civic would walk all over you. Launch that dam car from 5500 rpm and slip that clutch and bam you got atleast a 1.7 60ft
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:03 PM   #8
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Thanks dude... way to be a pal. As mentioned, I'm an autocrosser, not a drag racer, so keep that in mind... I live for the corners.
No offense dude but dont ask how your 60 ft's are if you dont want the answer.
They are crummy. That guy may have said it in a dick way but hes right.

Tell us how youre launching, maybe you'll get some helpful feedback.
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:16 PM   #9
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Launch that dam car from 5500 rpm and slip that clutch and bam you got atleast a 1.7 60ft

That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard...

so just, slip the clutch, just like that? pulling a 1.7 in a stock 2.0l wrx isn't as easy as it would be in yours. Just saying slip it at 5500 will NOT get you a 1.7, you can slip it too slow, too fast, holding rpms at 5500, just like that, will not help you much at all. I've did maybe 200 runs down the track, with a best 60ft of 1.594 w/o the LC I have now, there is MUCH more to launch than "launching at 5500 and slipping the clutch"

To the OP, you are taking it easy on your car and that is good, don't do anything more until you really want to go faster and are ok with the possible consequences. low 15's are not TERRIBLE for a stock 2.0 WRX at that altitude so don't let anyone tell you they are, not everyone goes to the track and drives 100***37;,
you know that if you push your car harder you will go faster, thats all that there is to say. You aren't dong bad
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:45 PM   #10
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No offense dude but dont ask how your 60 ft's are if you dont want the answer.
They are crummy.

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Old 07-08-2007, 05:59 PM   #11
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I race at the same altitude as you (5800 ft), you can do a lot better if you work at it.
On the stock turbo at this altitude you can be deep into the 1.9's an high 1.8's if your doing it right. But your times are pretty consistant with what most folks pull at this altitude. Most of the times on the stock 13T turbo, you will see very low 2.0x times on the registry.

At this altitude very few people can consistantly pull 1.7's on the stock turbo and 2.0 L engine and no one can pull a 1.6 in that configuration. (as a matter of fact I am the only person I know of that has pulled a 1.7 60' on the stock turbo at this altitude without nitrous with a 1.727)

For those of you who have never raced at altitude it increases our 60' times by 0.05 - 0.1 sec over what we could do at sea level due to the altitude effects on the turbo.

Work on your tire pressures (set pressures near 36-38 psi) and work on a quick shift from low to second -- that is the key when folks get down near 2.0 sec 60' times and cannot get any quicker. You make that shift before you travel 60' so if your slow on the shift you end up coasting the last 10-15 ft to the 60' light.

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U need to learn to drive. 15's in a wrx is BAD. that means neons and civic would walk all over you. Launch that dam car from 5500 rpm and slip that clutch and bam you got atleast a 1.7 60ft
And you sir do not have a clue, low 15's are typical at this altitude for a 2.0L wrx and someone new to drag racing and at this altitude neons and civcs run high 17's - 18's.

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Old 07-08-2007, 06:29 PM   #12
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And you sir do not have a clue, low 15's are typical at this altitude for a 2.0L wrx and someone new to drag racing and at this altitude neons and civcs run high 17's - 18's.
Well Im sure he, like myself and others in the thread, would not think to look up somebodys location and google the nearest track elevation. But good thing to mention, as its quite relevant.

Edit: Well OK its right there plain as day in 1st post, im blind sorry

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Old 07-08-2007, 06:32 PM   #13
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Yeah a lot of people at this altitude are pretty slow... I know I am somewhere where I should be... I've raced a few other WRXes and a few STIs and usually get a really good lead on them through first gear. I actually almost never lose to anyone through first gear... the only ones Friday night that kept even or ahead of me was a turbo civic and a Z06. So not too bad.... there was a WRX there that night as well running in the 15.3 range and I think he had at least an exhaust so I think I am sort of where I should be for an "average" driver.

Thanks for the high altitude advice, Larry. I don't think I ever realized that the 1 --> 2 shift was before the 60ft lights... that might explain my times a bit, because I always get it in my mind that the shift came after the lights... so that might be why they are somewhat inconsisitent. I am definitely lazy on some shifts, so I should work on that, thanks!

My launching technique is this:

rev the engine by pulsing the gas to build up boost (I can hear the stock bypass valve going off each time I am letting off, indicating some boost is being built up). Then I watch the lights, and on the third yellow I floor it and let the clutch out relatively slowly, till I feel it grip and then let it out consistently. It seems like it takes a really long time to let the clutch out all the way, but thats because i am scared of dropping the tranny... when I bought the car, my friend told me to never sidestep the clutch... maybe I am being a bit too cautious? Maybe release it quickly but such that my foot is still controlling it?
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No offense dude but dont ask how your 60 ft's are if you dont want the answer.
They are crummy. That guy may have said it in a dick way but hes right.

Tell us how youre launching, maybe you'll get some helpful feedback.
yeah, i said it in a insensitive dick way. im sorry. i thought twice before i posted it but i figured if i didnt say it no one would. I clicked this thread expecting to see 1.6s and 1.7s. lemme put it this way: you need to work on them
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:34 PM   #15
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I am also new to drag racing and this was my first run in 95 degree temps with a stage 2 STi.



Not a bad 60' time for my first run
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:41 PM   #16
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I am also new to drag racing and this was my first run in 95 degree temps with a stage 2 STi.



Not a bad 60' time for my first run
i beat you with my stock wrx.....lol....you got have got to work on yours too.....just kidding lol your good
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yea those launches suck
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Well Im sure he, like myself and others in the thread, would not think to look up somebodys location and google the nearest track elevation. But good thing to mention, as its quite relevant.
Even then, some people know nothing about how altitude effects cars, I say this because the OP lists the altitude...
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:12 PM   #19
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so at my altitude it sounds like a 2.00 is good for a stock WRX, right?

All I really have is the gutted uppipe, and it doesn't help that much.
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no a 2.0 60ft is ****ty. before these people go out here buy wrx's they need to get driving lessons. I had a 02 wrx wagon when it was stock i did alot better than a dam 15.1. My 60foots were 1.7's or maybe i can just drive my car. I never broke the tranny
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so at my altitude it sounds like a 2.00 is good for a stock WRX, right?
No it is not good, but it is typical. Good for the average driver at this altitude would be low 1.9's and high 1.8's. Excellent at this altitude on a 2.0 L engine with your equipment, would be low to mid 1.8's.

As I mentioned above only one person has run a 1.7 60' at this altitude on the stock turbo without nitrous. It is not easy at sea level with the 2.0 and is nearly impossible at this altitude without significant mods.

For comparision these are the fastest high altitude times for Subaru's we have in our registry.
The last 2 are my runs, the bottom is the only 1.7x on the stock turbo without nitrous on the 2.0L engine.

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ET @ mph          60'      engine    turbo                  nitrous
[email protected] 	1.774 	2.5L      GT35R
[email protected] 	1.789 	2.5L 	Schwitzer HT200
[email protected] 	1.779 	2.0L 	GT30R 	
[email protected] 	1.853 	2.5L 	GT35R
[email protected] 	1.806 	2.0L 	50 Trim  	55 shot N20
[email protected] 	1.875 	2.0L 	PE 1818 	60 shot N20
[email protected] 	2.000 	2.5L 	GT35R	
[email protected] 	1.976 	2.5L 	Schwitzer HT-200
[email protected] 	1.850 	2.5L 	TEC 20G 
[email protected]   1.859 	2.2L 	T3/T04E	
[email protected] 	1.784 	2.5L 	TD06H 50trim
[email protected] 	1.834 	2.0L 	PE 1820  <-- Albuquerque
[email protected] 	1.876 	2.0L 	IHI VF22 	60 shot N20
[email protected] 	1.839 	2.5L 	18G
[email protected]   1.743 	2.0L 	IHI VF30 	50 shot N20
[email protected] 	1.810 	2.0L 	PE 1818
[email protected] 	1.808 	2.5L 	IHI VF39
[email protected] 	1.848 	2.0L 	IHI VF30 	60 shot N20
[email protected] 	1.763 	1.8L 	GT3076 T25
[email protected]   1.965 	2.0L 	18G
[email protected] 	1.896 	2.0L 	18G
[email protected] 	1.885 	2.0L 	16G
[email protected] 	1.801 	2.0L 	16G
[email protected]   1.787  	2.0L  	13T
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no a 2.0 60ft is ****ty. before these people go out here buy wrx's they need to get driving lessons. I had a 02 wrx wagon when it was stock i did alot better than a dam 15.1. My 60foots were 1.7's or maybe i can just drive my car. I never broke the tranny
Your also in MD, there is not one slow track in this state, if you take in to consideration the altitude, plus the fact that he is KNOWINGLY taking it easy on his car, a 2.0 is not bad, not good but not as bad as you are saying. This is like me saying your 1.7 is HORRIBLE because I have pulled a 1.5, and before you pull the STi card, I broke I've hit 1.6 in my old 02 wrx... You really don't have to act like he is doing horrible, because he isn't.
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Yes he is because 15's are horrible in any wrx at any altitude
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Old 07-09-2007, 08:50 PM   #24
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Yes he is because 15's are horrible in any wrx at any altitude
A very low 15 to high 14 is very common at this altitude for a new driver in a WRX. With the loss of power due to altitude it is extremely easy to bog on launch or fry the clutch. At this altitude on the 2.0L the window of proper clutch release, and launch rpm, is very very small.

My first 2 launches in my WRX were a 15.1 and a 15.2. I currently hold the record for that engine/turbo combination at this altitude. It is amazing that you folks are so arrogent that you are not willing to let a person learn at his own pace, and work things out. Just because you got good times at your track on your first attempts, does not in any way mean you could have done any better than him at his track. You have absolutely no clue how his track is preped, how hot it was, what air density he was dealing with, his experience with any car on a drag strip (which he admitted up front was not much), what tires he was running, what tire pressures he was running or any of the other 20-30 variables that might be involved.

At this altitude our racing season is about 12 -16 weeks a year if the weather is behaving itself, so most of you at near sealevel tracks get more drag strip passes in a single season than we do in 2-3 years.

If you were willing to make a "who cares about the tranny" launch the first time at the track, fine but some of us want to use a more reasonable approach as we figure out what the car likes and does not like, and we are not willing to frag our tranny on the first pass.

Get over it! The guy asked for some information and tips to improve, he did not come in here like he was God's gift to drag racing. If you can't make a constructive comment, please take your superior to the world attitude to Off topic where it belongs.


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No it is not good, but it is typical. Good for the average driver at this altitude would be low 1.9's and high 1.8's. Excellent at this altitude on a 2.0 L engine with your equipment, would be low to mid 1.8's.

As I mentioned above only one person has run a 1.7 60' at this altitude on the stock turbo without nitrous. It is not easy at sea level with the 2.0 and is nearly impossible at this altitude without significant mods.

For comparision these are the fastest high altitude times for Subaru's we have in our registry.
The last 2 are my runs, the bottom is the only 1.7x on the stock turbo without nitrous on the 2.0L engine.

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ET @ mph 60' engine turbo nitrous
[email protected] 1.774 2.5L GT35R
[email protected] 1.789 2.5L Schwitzer HT200
[email protected] 1.779 2.0L GT30R
[email protected] 1.853 2.5L GT35R
[email protected] 1.806 2.0L 50 Trim 55 shot N20
[email protected] 1.875 2.0L PE 1818 60 shot N20
[email protected] 2.000 2.5L GT35R
[email protected] 1.976 2.5L Schwitzer HT-200
[email protected] 1.850 2.5L TEC 20G
[email protected] 1.859 2.2L T3/T04E
[email protected] 1.784 2.5L TD06H 50trim
[email protected] 1.834 2.0L PE 1820 <-- Albuquerque
[email protected] 1.876 2.0L IHI VF22 60 shot N20
[email protected] 1.839 2.5L 18G
[email protected] 1.743 2.0L IHI VF30 50 shot N20
[email protected] 1.810 2.0L PE 1818
[email protected] 1.808 2.5L IHI VF39
[email protected] 1.848 2.0L IHI VF30 60 shot N20
[email protected] 1.763 1.8L GT3076 T25
[email protected] 1.965 2.0L 18G
[email protected] 1.896 2.0L 18G
[email protected] 1.885 2.0L 16G
[email protected] 1.801 2.0L 16G
[email protected] 1.787 2.0L 13T
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Get off your High Horse.

If you want to brag about your stupid 60' time post up your own thread idiot.

This guy is talking about HIS 60' time.

And yes its a respectable time. Hes at a high altitude, and hes taking it easy on the tranny. PLUS HE AUTOCROSSES. SO GO CRAWL BACK IN YOUR WHOLE AND LEAVE THE POOR GUY ALONE!!!
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