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Old 08-17-2007, 10:34 PM   #1
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Default Need help! Someone with 18's with 235/40/18's in 5x114 please inquire.

My car's way too freakin low now. I'm tucking all four tires with 235/40/17's, and the subframe hangs maybe 2" off the ground. I rub the strut towers, subframe, and exhaust on bad dips. So I need to test fit 18's with a 40 sidewall so I know how much to raise the car, and get it realigned. If anyone can let me borrow their set of 18's for a week, please PM me, it would be very appreciated. If needed, I can give you my RPF-1's for collateral. This is for an 05 STi, so I need 5x114.

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Old 08-17-2007, 10:45 PM   #2
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How do you rub the strut towers when they're @ the top of the strut???

It most likely won't 'raise' the car since to properly size up on wheels you try to keep the overall dimensions of the wheel/tyre similar to the OEM fitment.

What suspension are you running? Why not adjust the set up so you're not that low???
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:20 AM   #3
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Earl:

Do you have the coil-overs raised up as high as they'll go?

mykrrrr:

He's got STANCE coilovers which are known for being LOOOoooooOOooW!
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:27 AM   #4
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sounds like there are some basic suspension issues to be discussed before anything else happens... that size tire/wheel basically matches the stock stance (same size I run).
do you know how coilovers WORK?
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:13 AM   #5
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Whoa! Easy now, I assure you that Earl knows how coilovers work
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:32 AM   #6
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^^^

Ok FINE, I take it all back, I just don't get what dif. tires will do for this... I'm thinking, roll the fenders (which is what I need to do, actually )
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Old 08-18-2007, 06:05 AM   #7
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Not the top part, but the strut tower kinks down and it's rubs all along there. I will take pictures later and take them. I want to keep little to no gap for visual reasons, that's why I need to borrow 18's because I want to see how high to set it.

The coilovers are nearly maxed out, yes I know how to use coilovers :P In fact, I had a customer ask me how to lower the car without rubbing into the CV boot, which he did (I work for Stance). I'm just that low :P
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:27 AM   #8
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a 235/40/18 is not really going to make your car sit taller. (over the stock size)
a 245/40/18 will. this is what tire size i went with (azenis rt615)
it does raise the car up around 1/2-3/4 of an inch.

ps: are you selling those enkies?
also, what are the specs on those enkies, if you dont mind me asking.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:58 AM   #9
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After using a tyre size calculator (easily found online making this thread wasted bandwidth j.k)...your car will be 1/2 inch higher than it sits now.

I don't see how your customer's car is rubbing the CV boot. Obviously the car's suspension is not properly set up and neither is yours if you're rubbing in any way.

I'm interested to see pics of your current set up and what you're actually rubbing.
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:34 PM   #10
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Not the top part, but the strut tower kinks down and it's rubs all along there. I will take pictures later and take them. I want to keep little to no gap for visual reasons, that's why I need to borrow 18's because I want to see how high to set it.

The coilovers are nearly maxed out, yes I know how to use coilovers :P In fact, I had a customer ask me how to lower the car without rubbing into the CV boot, which he did (I work for Stance). I'm just that low :P
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Pfft, I'da subscribed to this thread if this were the O.P., issues of profile et cetera are excellent to know.

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Old 08-18-2007, 02:04 PM   #11
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If you guys didn't see it in the HIN:Nighshift pics thread... here's Earl's car:


That's the lowest STi I've evArRrrr seen in person.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:53 PM   #12
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cArp...double post.

I can has fail...
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:36 AM   #13
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Ok, while my coilovers may not be properly set up for the best handling car possible, I did install them correctly. When I meant I helped a customer, we are the manufacturer, and the retailer (customer) called to ask for help for his customer, who installed them incorrectly.

Ty, the car is now actually lower than at HIN, it rubs everything, so it's going to get raised slightly, so the tires fill out the fenders in the same way at HIN, but with 18's. It rubbed the passenger fender so bad during cornering it pushed the lip OUT instead of up. So at DD, I borrowed someone's jack handle and ghetto rolled it and chipped most of the paint on the lip lol. Oh well, good thing I have body shop hook ups ;]

Now, for pics of my car.













Subframe is lower than the pack of cigarettes, as shown. Only way I can get the car up the low ramps is to back up the rear wheels onto them. Car is disgustingly low, so I'd like to adjust the ride height with 18's. This is my daily driver, and it's too low for me as is. It's so low, even the guys at Touge Factory are telling me to raise my car (it scrapes worse than their 240's).
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:14 AM   #14
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Damn...that's low. Solution = Raise car to a "proper" ride height.

Why not run airbags if you want your car that low???
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:57 AM   #15
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Damn...that's low. Solution = Raise car to a "proper" ride height.

Why not run airbags if you want your car that low???
ding ding ding ding. you can calculate the overall diameter of a wheel and tire combo online vs the wheel/tire combo you have now. I'm figuring that you are going to have no more then what, a centimeter difference or LESS between what you have now and the 18" setup. So your coilovers are currently set as HIGH as they can go? If that is the case, seriously, just get different coilovers or convince stance to not be so retarded?
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:21 PM   #16
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I set them that low. They can go at least 3 inches higher than they are now, which is what I had them at previously (which is what people would call the proper ride height) and the car looked by a 4x4. There was a ridiculous gap between the tire and fender and it looked awful. Another reason I'd like to borrow 18's is because I'd like to see how they would look on the car.

My RPF-1's are 17x8.5 +40, but in retrospect, I could have done 17x8.5 +30 with the amount camber I run.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:09 PM   #17
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Earl - What is "proper" ride height to you? If it's that low then you should just deal with the problems you've got @ hand. Why not try setting them 1.5 inches higher than you've got right now. I bet you're riding on the bumpstops w/the current set up.

My car is only on running RCE springs and I've got like a two finger gap in the front and a single finger in the rear with 17's. Is that what kind of stance you're looking for?

+30 offset is not good because of the extra stress put upon the wheel bearings.

When all is said and done, it's your car, do what you want. GL...
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:44 AM   #18
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Mykrrr, the car was lowered by lowering the shock through the lower control mount and I have very long springs (200mm) with helper springs that are about 1.5 inches long, so the springs and shock have full travel. 1.5" higher would look horrendous, especially with the 40 sidewall. I used to have a two finger gap all around and it made the car look like a 4x4. +30 offset will stress the wheel bearings, but they're not going to explode like most Suby guys tend to think, especially because they'll be street wheels and I'll be doing the majority of the driving in a straight line.
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:57 AM   #19
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i guess the idea of a suspension needing travel to operate smoothly is just out the window.

sorry but that car is useless in Chicago.

raise that thing up an inch

note: not sure how many miles you intend to put on your car but a +30 offset will eat wheel bearings for dinner
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Old 08-20-2007, 07:59 AM   #20
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Mykrrr, the car was lowered by lowering the shock through the lower control mount and I have very long springs (200mm) with helper springs that are about 1.5 inches long, so the springs and shock have full travel. 1.5" higher would look horrendous, especially with the 40 sidewall. I used to have a two finger gap all around and it made the car look like a 4x4. +30 offset will stress the wheel bearings, but they're not going to explode like most Suby guys tend to think, especially because they'll be street wheels and I'll be doing the majority of the driving in a straight line.
Like I said...GL w/that.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:40 AM   #21
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i guess the idea of a suspension needing travel to operate smoothly is just out the window.

sorry but that car is useless in Chicago.

raise that thing up an inch

note: not sure how many miles you intend to put on your car but a +30 offset will eat wheel bearings for dinner
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Why don't you set it for daily driving (i.e. 1-1.25" higher) and then when you take it to a show, take you're tools and measuring tape and lower it at the show? I don't know how these particular coilovers work but you should be able to lower them w/o taking them off the car right?

Stiffer springs will help too. What's your spring rate now? If you're going that low I assume you're sacraficing ride comfort so why don't you go with something like a 10kg/8kg rate to kep the car off the ground when hitting bumps and cornering? If you're running anything equal to or less than a 7kg/5kg then you didn't plan correctly to be that low.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:51 AM   #22
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I think he's running STANCE GR+ Pro, and those are 8K/6K springs....
http://www.stance-usa.com/products.php

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GR+ Pro coilovers offer all of the features that is available on the GR+. GR+ Pro coilovers are designed with helper springs.

Helper springs allows the piston to be placed in the optimal position in the shock body, allows full use of rebound stroke, and maximizes articualtion on cars with mininum suspension travel.
Good luck with all this Earl, I do like how the car sits though
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lol, why did i even bother? i should've figured i'd get these kind of responses. For those of you who don't know what the car looked like before the drop, it was HIGH





So it's not a problem with the coilovers. You guys don't have to tell me about wheel bearings and height etc. etc. I already know that crap. If anyone can actually help me and let me borrow a set of 18's, then please let me know.
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Old 08-20-2007, 01:58 PM   #24
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Hate to say it but you brought it all on yourself. You could have just posted up "I wanna see what 18's look like on my car...anyone got anything I can test fit?"
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buddy, 18's aren't going to fix your problem....your car is TOO LOW

putting a bigger wheel on the car is only going to make the problem worse
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