Another great day with P&L

Irishman · 08-29-2007, 09:57 AM

Finally got my meth kit hooked up and went back down to P&L for my tune. Jorge and the guys down there are the easiest people to talk to and will answer any ?'s you have without making you feel stupid. Its worth the 3 hr drive just to hang out with them.
Here are my new numbers with:
SZ49
Spearco TMIC
PE850's
APS 70mm CAI
TXS Stealthback w/ Stromung axleback
UR uppipe with Tial 38mm EWG
Walboro 255
Snow MAF meth kit running 50/50
GM boost solenoid
1 step colder plugs

Car runs great. Now I need to learn to shift faster. Great Job Jorge love the car and was a fun trip home.

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RiftsWRX · 08-29-2007, 12:12 PM

Hey Jason, thanks for the kind words! Our pleasure as always!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

funktrain · 08-29-2007, 12:25 PM

Holy flat n phat powerbands batman, nice. Stock header?

bg04STi · 08-29-2007, 01:16 PM

Hey whats up Jason its Dan we met in Norwalk. Maybe I will see you at the Subie shootout in Sept. Oh, the car made some nice power hopefully some 11sec 1/4.

NITROS · 08-29-2007, 02:43 PM

Nice #'s Jorge. Is that 11.3-11.4 : 1 on meth @ redline. That seems kind of rich to me. I assume your throwing timing adv at it.

RiftsWRX · 08-29-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NITROS

Nice #'s Jorge. Is that 11.3-11.4 : 1 on meth @ redline. That seems kind of rich to me. I assume your throwing timing adv at it.

You're right on reading the AFR. I dunno, for me at least, on alcohol, 11's have always been perfect on a gasoline calibrated unit.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

NITROS · 08-29-2007, 03:23 PM

I am just used to seeing tunes with meth aim for 12:1 or high 11.x:1. No one mentions anything about re-calibrating a WB for it. Just curious about the difference.

Irishman · 08-29-2007, 03:58 PM

hey Dan, I am hoping for some decent times. the thing just keeps pulling all the way to redline. I am trying to figure out a way to get over to the shootout, as of now I have to work

But atleast it will be money towards a new clutch.

fullerton · 08-29-2007, 04:02 PM

Holy large logo Jorge! Shrink that thing down next time so we can see the important part — the numbers.

RiftsWRX · 08-29-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NITROS

I am just used to seeing tunes with meth aim for 12:1 or high 11.x:1. No one mentions anything about re-calibrating a WB for it. Just curious about the difference.

Here's the subjective part on tuning.... IMO, doing that leaves you no fudge factor for the inevitable moment that your alky system fails.

Zing!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

NITROS · 08-29-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiftsWRX

Here's the subjective part on tuning.... IMO, doing that leaves you no fudge factor for the inevitable moment that your alky system fails.

Zing!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

If your like me nothing ever fails

GOOD POINT!!!

RiftsWRX · 08-29-2007, 07:39 PM

But, to answer your question, yes, it can be leaner, and depending on the application and goal, it very much could be leaner. If this was an alky/c-16 map, sure, I'm not afraid to run the thing at 12.5:1-13:1. It's all in the purpose and application.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

DoctorNick · 08-29-2007, 09:04 PM

Looks real nice. Love the powerband. Maybe I should have Jorge look at my setup since its basically the same

Tgui · 08-29-2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiftsWRX

Here's the subjective part on tuning.... IMO, doing that leaves you no fudge factor for the inevitable moment that your alky system fails.

Zing!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Given the penchant for my meth to end up in my spare tire well, I can see this. Stupid leak I cant seem to fix yet. Though, its not too much of a task to attach a fluid level switch to the BCS to cut everything to waste gate spring limited boost in the even of a problem. Total system failure can be detected with a flow sensor. But then what happens if the sensor fails?

Meh

Then you can more safely shoot for those mid 12's

EDIT: Good tune btw, just a brain dump here.

Irishman · 08-29-2007, 09:49 PM

You can't go wrong with having him check out your setup. He can answer every question you could possibly come up with.

The tune is perfect for my driving style. Its conservative enough to let me drive it daily without worries of it blowing at anytime. Trust me the car can out drive me everytime.

Irishman · 08-31-2007, 01:27 PM

I'm waiting on my Safe injection so I will be able to have it go to wastegate if something is wrong with the flow but it is nice to know that I have a little buffer on top of the solenoid.

I am more worried about the clutch then anything and the fact that 1st gear is gone before I can blink.

eqlized_aero · 08-31-2007, 01:35 PM

I can attest that Jorge's tunes hold up even when the meth goes out.

I found out the hard way. Still have great compression on all my cylinders and car is running beautifully on the 93 (no inj) map while I wait for my replacement component.

RexisMe · 08-31-2007, 02:34 PM

what made you decide to go with the stealthback? do you think the fact it bottlenecks(its not 3 all the way through right, goes to 2.5 to the axleback? i dont know for sure, i was just wondering) effects your power in any way?

fullerton · 08-31-2007, 03:03 PM

will the AP allow you to go to wastegate boost upon detection of a problem? i thought that was something that you need utec or hydra or some other piggyback/replacement ECU...

hopefully i am worng, as that is one reason i don't have it.

Irishman · 08-31-2007, 06:35 PM

I went with the 3" stealthback it doesn't tapper that the axleback. They make 2 versions one with 2.5" and one with 3" piping.

The AP doesn't switch maps like the other EM's. But the Safe Injection once it detects that flow is not what it should be will set off a relay that can open a solenoid that goes between your boost solenoid and wastegate. So you will only run wastegate spring pressure.
It is not a 100% failsafe as there really is not one out there that can keep all the engine damage from happening but will definetly reduce the amount and maybe not damage at all.

Freon · 08-31-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullerton

will the AP allow you to go to wastegate boost upon detection of a problem? i thought that was something that you need utec or hydra or some other piggyback/replacement ECU...

hopefully i am worng, as that is one reason i don't have it.

If you have any sort of failsafe detection on the WI system you can just hook up a relay to the failsafe wire so it shuts off the wastegate solenoid. Nothing fancy required.

The ECU will turn off boost control if the advance multiplier falls too far as well.

08-29-2007, 09:57 AM	#1
Irishman Scooby Specialist Member#: 29933 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Vehicle: 2004 STI Silver/Silver	New tune by P&L. SZ49 376 on meth Finally got my meth kit hooked up and went back down to P&L for my tune. Jorge and the guys down there are the easiest people to talk to and will answer any ?'s you have without making you feel stupid. Its worth the 3 hr drive just to hang out with them. Here are my new numbers with: SZ49 Spearco TMIC PE850's APS 70mm CAI TXS Stealthback w/ Stromung axleback UR uppipe with Tial 38mm EWG Walboro 255 Snow MAF meth kit running 50/50 GM boost solenoid 1 step colder plugs Car runs great. Now I need to learn to shift faster. Great Job Jorge love the car and was a fun trip home. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by Irishman; 08-29-2007 at 10:50 AM.

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RiftsWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 6124 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA Vehicle: 2000 NFR AP1 S2000 '07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)	Hey Jason, thanks for the kind words! Our pleasure as always! Jorge (RiftsWRX) www.ProjectWRX.com

08-29-2007, 12:25 PM	#3
funktrain Scooby Newbie Member#: 65145 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fargo, ND Vehicle: 2005 STi World Rally Blue	Holy flat n phat powerbands batman, nice. Stock header?

08-29-2007, 01:16 PM	#4
bg04STi Scooby Newbie Member#: 126019 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Plainfield Vehicle: 04 STi	Hey whats up Jason its Dan we met in Norwalk. Maybe I will see you at the Subie shootout in Sept. Oh, the car made some nice power hopefully some 11sec 1/4.

08-29-2007, 02:43 PM	#5
NITROS Scooby Specialist Member#: 41561 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Chicago Vehicle: 04 GT3076 2.1 Stroker = Broken 3rd	Nice #'s Jorge. Is that 11.3-11.4 : 1 on meth @ redline. That seems kind of rich to me. I assume your throwing timing adv at it.

08-29-2007, 03:23 PM	#7
NITROS Scooby Specialist Member#: 41561 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Chicago Vehicle: 04 GT3076 2.1 Stroker = Broken 3rd	I am just used to seeing tunes with meth aim for 12:1 or high 11.x:1. No one mentions anything about re-calibrating a WB for it. Just curious about the difference.

08-29-2007, 03:58 PM	#8
Irishman Scooby Specialist Member#: 29933 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Vehicle: 2004 STI Silver/Silver	hey Dan, I am hoping for some decent times. the thing just keeps pulling all the way to redline. I am trying to figure out a way to get over to the shootout, as of now I have to work But atleast it will be money towards a new clutch.

08-29-2007, 04:02 PM	#9
fullerton Scooby Specialist Member#: 122030 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Private Profits - Social Loss	Holy large logo Jorge! Shrink that thing down next time so we can see the important part — the numbers.

08-29-2007, 07:39 PM	#12
RiftsWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 6124 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA Vehicle: 2000 NFR AP1 S2000 '07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)	But, to answer your question, yes, it can be leaner, and depending on the application and goal, it very much could be leaner. If this was an alky/c-16 map, sure, I'm not afraid to run the thing at 12.5:1-13:1. It's all in the purpose and application. Jorge (RiftsWRX) www.ProjectWRX.com

08-29-2007, 09:04 PM	#13
DoctorNick Scooby Guru Member#: 7022 Join Date: May 2001 Vehicle: heh, DC ITCA are my rides	Looks real nice. Love the powerband. Maybe I should have Jorge look at my setup since its basically the same

08-29-2007, 09:49 PM	#15
Irishman Scooby Specialist Member#: 29933 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Vehicle: 2004 STI Silver/Silver	You can't go wrong with having him check out your setup. He can answer every question you could possibly come up with. The tune is perfect for my driving style. Its conservative enough to let me drive it daily without worries of it blowing at anytime. Trust me the car can out drive me everytime.

08-31-2007, 01:27 PM	#16
Irishman Scooby Specialist Member#: 29933 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Vehicle: 2004 STI Silver/Silver	I'm waiting on my Safe injection so I will be able to have it go to wastegate if something is wrong with the flow but it is nice to know that I have a little buffer on top of the solenoid. I am more worried about the clutch then anything and the fact that 1st gear is gone before I can blink.

08-31-2007, 01:35 PM	#17
eqlized_aero Scooby Newbie Member#: 88699 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: West Michigan Vehicle: 2015 TS EFR7163 818S V9 Spec C Type RA 92x	I can attest that Jorge's tunes hold up even when the meth goes out. I found out the hard way. Still have great compression on all my cylinders and car is running beautifully on the 93 (no inj) map while I wait for my replacement component.

08-31-2007, 02:34 PM	#18
RexisMe Scooby Specialist Member#: 96821 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Indiana	what made you decide to go with the stealthback? do you think the fact it bottlenecks(its not 3 all the way through right, goes to 2.5 to the axleback? i dont know for sure, i was just wondering) effects your power in any way?

08-31-2007, 03:03 PM	#19
fullerton Scooby Specialist Member#: 122030 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Private Profits - Social Loss	will the AP allow you to go to wastegate boost upon detection of a problem? i thought that was something that you need utec or hydra or some other piggyback/replacement ECU... hopefully i am worng, as that is one reason i don't have it.

08-31-2007, 06:35 PM	#20
Irishman Scooby Specialist Member#: 29933 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Vehicle: 2004 STI Silver/Silver	I went with the 3" stealthback it doesn't tapper that the axleback. They make 2 versions one with 2.5" and one with 3" piping. The AP doesn't switch maps like the other EM's. But the Safe Injection once it detects that flow is not what it should be will set off a relay that can open a solenoid that goes between your boost solenoid and wastegate. So you will only run wastegate spring pressure. It is not a 100% failsafe as there really is not one out there that can keep all the engine damage from happening but will definetly reduce the amount and maybe not damage at all.