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Old 10-17-2007, 03:19 PM   #1
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Meet the 300mpg hybrid!


Unique Aptera hybrid may look odd, but it can achieve glider-like economy





This looks like a flying car, but it’s no flight of fancy. Called the Aptera, the wacky machine is about to go into production and is almost as environmentally friendly as a glider – its clever petrol-electric hybrid engine returns an incredible 300mpg!

Despite its eco-friendly credentials, the Aptera can sprint from 0-60mph in 10 seconds and hit 95mph. Inside, there’s room for two adults, a child and luggage. And the interior boasts all the kit you’d expect from its sci-fi looks, with a rear view camera, sat-nav, a hi-tech sound system and even solar-assisted climate control.

The three-wheeler is only available in the US at the moment – although it could be imported here – priced from £14,709. There’s also an all-electric version which costs £13,232. This has similar performance as the hybrid and a range of 120 miles from only a few hours’ charge.

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Old 10-17-2007, 03:23 PM   #2
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The future didn't call, and it didn't want it's car back.

I am all for eco-friendly new cars, but that thing is ug-leee and I don't think I could drive something with 3 wheels.
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:45 PM   #3
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That's pretty sweet..
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:49 PM   #4
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Hmmm...give the oil companies a call and see when they will let this car be produced.
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:02 PM   #5
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Good for a comuter. But
1.do not get in an accident
2what about snow,rain and bad wind
3Insurance and theft
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:09 PM   #6
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***9674; All Electric - This Aptera is powered exclusively with batteries and will get you around town to the tune of approximately 120 miles depending on your driving conditions. At night you simply plug the Aptera into any standard 110 volt outlet and in just a few hours you will have a fully charged vehicle that will take you another 120 miles. The approximate cost of this option with all the features listed above will be $26,900.

***9674; Plug-in Series Hybrid - This Aptera is also powered by an electric drive train but it is assisted by a fuel efficient gasoline powered generator which stretches your range significantly. In typical driving you may achieve over 300 miles per gallon and you will have range far beyond any passenger vehicle available today. The approximate cost of this option with all the features listed above will be $29,900.
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:10 PM   #7
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Good for a comuter. But
1.do not get in an accident
2what about snow,rain and bad wind
3Insurance and theft
Depends on the material. I think certain composites could be better than steel.

I'll take 2 of these things. 300 mpg >>> Let's see >>> 1 gallon of gas goes as far as my 9-2x on 14-15 gallons. $3 vs. $45

Save ~ $42 x 4 (1 per week) = $168 a month
better for the environment and screws the middle-east = PRICELESS!
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:12 PM   #8
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looks like seamen
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:41 PM   #9
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Good for a comuter. But
1.do not get in an accident
It exceeds FMVSS requirements for passenger cars in side impact, rollover, and frontal. The front crumple zone is a Formula 1 style CF deceleration cone.

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2what about snow,rain and bad wind
Based on its aerodynamics, I'd expect it to be less susceptible to wind than any current automobile. I know my SVX was, at 0.28 Cd. This thing is 0.11, which is crazy.

Bad weather (snow) performance is really the area where this vehicle will have some challenges. It remains to be seen whether it's poor in that area or not, the small snow interaction areas may make it a very capable winter car.
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:51 PM   #10
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:51 PM   #11
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better for the environment and screws the middle-east = PRICELESS

LOL thats funny.

WOW you guys know alot about this,I never heard or read about it before and I do alot of car reading.
Well if it has a formula 1 type cone then its safe.When I see those guys get in an accident and walk away,well you get the point.
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:49 PM   #12
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Wrap a normally shaped CF body around that drivetrain, paying attention to the weight and the aerodynamics, and you'll probably still get 100mpg.

Which is more or less what I've been on about in here for the past six months: Radically reducing the weight of vehicles with advanced materials is the key to getting the US off oil, permanently. And you'd want to buy the cars because they'd be safer and perform better but be the same price as the gassers...

<Impatiently taps foot waiting for Volt and the 3rd gen Prius to be released>
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:51 PM   #13
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:15 PM   #14
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I might would buy one of these. If you consider the fuel savings per month, it makes that price look VERY attractive.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:21 PM   #15
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so how is it so much better? is it a wing generating lift? If so, I'd hate to try braking at high speeds.
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:31 PM   #17
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SO how many USD is that?
I'm interested
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:42 PM   #18
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SO how many USD is that?
I'm interested
It's a US Company:

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***9674; All Electric – This Aptera is powered exclusively with batteries and will get you around town to the tune of approximately 120 miles depending on your driving conditions. At night you simply plug the Aptera into any standard 110 volt outlet and in just a few hours you will have a fully charged vehicle that will take you another 120 miles. The approximate cost of this option with all the features listed above will be $26,900.

***9674; Plug-in Series Hybrid – This Aptera is also powered by an electric drive train but it is assisted by a fuel efficient gasoline powered generator which stretches your range significantly. In typical driving you may achieve over 300 miles per gallon and you will have range far beyond any passenger vehicle available today. The approximate cost of this option with all the features listed above will be $29,900.
https://aptera.com/pre/

If they'd trade some fuel efficiency for two driven wheels and a less goofy looking rear end, I'd be seriously interested. I just can't see one-wheel drive working very well in the mountains in winter...
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Test drive of the prototype, getting flogged around a couple corners...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9pBM557dsdg
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Depends on the material. I think certain composites could be better than steel.

I'll take 2 of these things. 300 mpg >>> Let's see >>> 1 gallon of gas goes as far as my 9-2x on 14-15 gallons. $3 vs. $45

Save ~ $42 x 4 (1 per week) = $168 a month
better for the environment and screws the middle-east = PRICELESS!
Ummm, yeah but it's a plug-in w/ hybrid. So you forgot to add the electricity you use every day to charge the batteries. I'm sure you'd still save a bunch but the $30K purchase price hurts.
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I'm not seeing that passing any passenger vehicle DOT standards anytime soon. I wonder if they are going to try and classify it in the motorcycle class. \
I'm assuming the T-Rex is similarly classified and it features little to no safety.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:53 AM   #22
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You can pretty much guarantee it given that it has 3 wheels.
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wow, the engine sounds like CRAP in that video.... sounds like those old 60s station wagons....
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wow, the engine sounds like CRAP in that video.... sounds like those old 60s station wagons....
It sounds frickin' awesome. ELECTRIC ENGINE WHIR!
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so how is it so much better? is it a wing generating lift? If so, I'd hate to try braking at high speeds.
I'd imagine it is aerodynamically neutral, generating neither lift nor downforce. Just a guess though.

How it's so much better is that it is a clean sheet integrative design that minimizes weight and aerodynamic losses. Improvements in those two categories multiply efficiencies at the fuel tank.

Better aerodynamics and a lighter shell means you need less power to accellerate and maintain cruising speed, so you can use a smaller engine, which weighs less. The lower weight which means you can use smaller brakes and hubs, which weigh less so you can use an even smaller engine. And then you don't need heavy-duty suspension, so you drop more weight and lower the power requirements even more, which means a decent range only needs a smaller fuel tank or a smaller battery, which drops more weight. Then the crash structure doesn't need to absorb as much energy, so it can be lighter, dropping more weight... Etc., etc., etc...

The weight and the power requirements spiral downwards instead of spiralling upwards like they do in conventionally designed "heavy duty, professional grade" vehicles.
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