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Old 05-29-2017, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default 2011 wrx hid melted the head lights lenses ?

Installed the morimoto 35 w with 4500 k bulps hid kit just last week and i used them for about 30 min and looks like the inside of my lenses just melted right in front of the low beams.. both left and right lamps are like that. Ive never noticed that before i installed that kit. Anybody here seen that before? (Its not condensation)
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:13 PM   #2
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:57 PM   #3
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Hard to see it but yes, you've got some thermal hazing going on with those lenses. The outside doesn't feel rough when you touch it, does it?

Better switch back to the regular ones ASAP and hopefully the integrity of the lens covers won't be compromised.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:50 AM   #4
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Get led lights. They are much better than hid lights

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Old 05-30-2017, 12:39 PM   #5
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Bookmarked. I was going to get this kit, but.....

Would love to hear if anyone has not had this happen or can confirm the cause

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Old 05-31-2017, 10:26 AM   #6
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Get led lights. They are much better than hid lights

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Unless you want more lumens. Hids still have more lumens lots of LEDs lie. LEDs are better for picking the right color if trying to match
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Old 05-31-2017, 12:29 PM   #7
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ya no.

Did you do a retrofit kit? Email whoever you bought these from.
If it was just plug and play bulbs you might have hot spots that are slowly burning the lens.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:38 PM   #8
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Did you do a retrofit kit? Email whoever you bought these from.
If it was just plug and play bulbs you might have hot spots that are slowly burning the lens.
I'd ask the same question.

What this a HID retrofit kit that drops into a halogen lamp port as an "upgrade"?

If so, that's your problem right there.
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What this a HID retrofit kit that drops into a halogen lamp port as an "upgrade"?

If so, that's your problem right there.
DING DING DING DING DING DING, winner.

DO NOT INSTALL P'n'P HID OR LED BULBS INTO A HALOGEN HOUSING.
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Old 06-02-2017, 01:11 PM   #10
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ya no.

Did you do a retrofit kit? Email whoever you bought these from.
If it was just plug and play bulbs you might have hot spots that are slowly burning the lens.
Is this because the factory non HID housings are of different material?
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:18 PM   #11
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Is this because the factory non HID housings are of different material?
More or less, yes.

A halogen headlight reflector is built for a halogen bulb, and not a HID bulb or a LED bulb. The "light profile" is different coming from a tungsten filament vs. an arc-lamp bulb vs. a solid-state surface mount package. HID's also pump out more heat, so you need a special enclosure to allow it to operate safely.

That means NOT putting HID retrofit bulbs into a halogen bulb enclosure. NO CONVERSION KITS.

Someone else around here mentioned popping a HID into a halogen bulb socket is illegal in some states, because the reflector is shaped differently and shotguns more light all over the place, especially into the eyes of oncoming drivers.

If you want HID on your car, yank the entire headlight assembly and replace it with one designed & built for HID from the getgo.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM   #12
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More or less, yes.

A halogen headlight reflector is built for a halogen bulb, and not a HID bulb or a LED bulb. The "light profile" is different coming from a tungsten filament vs. an arc-lamp bulb vs. a solid-state surface mount package. HID's also pump out more heat, so you need a special enclosure to allow it to operate safely.

That means NOT putting HID retrofit bulbs into a halogen bulb enclosure. NO CONVERSION KITS.

Someone else around here mentioned popping a HID into a halogen bulb socket is illegal in some states, because the reflector is shaped differently and shotguns more light all over the place, especially into the eyes of oncoming drivers.

If you want HID on your car, yank the entire headlight assembly and replace it with one designed & built for HID from the getgo.
Back to my original plan. A, and only A) buy 2012-2014 sti headlights
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Back to my original plan. A, and only A) buy 2012-2014 sti headlights
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...-upgrades.html

This is another option. These are aftermarket - it's a bit of a question mark - but you install these and you're good to go. HID for the low beams and halogen for the high beams, with LED accents that can be used as the DRL. No retrofit kit screwing around.

I did something similar over here: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2840847
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Morimoto has to be aware of this issue... How could there not have been cases to have them put production of these to a halt?
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:43 AM   #15
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Morimoto has to be aware of this issue... How could there not have been cases to have them put production of these to a halt?
Like most companies, Morimoto is concerned with selling items and only making sure those sold items work well overall. They're not concerned with the individual results of people using those items. They make money selling these parts, and I strongly suspect they won't yank them off the market because of end user damage. Customers how melt their headlights as a result of using Morimoto products, well, that's just a "negative externality" as the business folk say. Did you ever try to call Microsoft and ask them, e.g., why their products crash, or are buggy, or are insecure?
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@OP ( pjean_07 )
Did you buy these direct from TRS or from somewhere else?

It is true that in general, you'd want to be careful of the HID bulb choice (in addition to all the optics discussion of HID arc vs halogen); aftermarket bulbs may not have the sufficient UV filter to minimize UV radiation from the HID arc. (Note: some non automotive HID bulbs are designed to provide UV radiation, and the difference is mostly just the reduced/lack of UV filter)

Having said that, if they are truly Morimotos from TRS, they should have the proper UV filtering. I use both OE (Philips) and Morimoto bulbs in my HID projectors and haven't ran into any issue for ~4 years now.

My understanding is that OP placed a "rebased" HID bulb (i.e. HID capsules mounted on halogen bulb type bases) to fit into the OE halogen projectors. It is possible that the manufacturer for those rebased Morimoto bulbs is different from Morimoto's bulb offering for "OE bulb base " (i.e. D1S, D2S, D2R, ..., D4S bulbs), and they might be of lower quality. What I know from my personal experience and others in a headlight forum using Morimotos are from their OE bulb base, and I haven't seen any thread postings where people ran into the same issue.

Suppose this was due to the bulb not having sufficient UV filtering, @OP, I would be worried about the reflector bowl of your OE projector. If the amount of UV radiation focused onto the headlight housing lens was enough to haze the lens, I'd imagine the part of the reflector bowl close to the bulb opening (and slightly above the bulb) may be compromised too. A compromised bowl means a dimmer output.

Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to inspect them without opening the headlight housing lens. With an aftermarket clear projector lens, some of these reflector bowl areas can be inspected from the outside. But not the fresnel lensed OE projector.

Side note: Even OE projectors (both halogen and HID) can have reflector bowl damage over time. But with a much larger OE projector volume than aftermarket, the percentage of OE projectors with damaged bowl is probably much smaller than aftermarket. Either way, I don't believe these translate to a hazed housing lens around the low beam's hotspot like that.
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Someone else around here mentioned popping a HID into a halogen bulb socket is illegal in some states...
It is illegal in ALL 50 states to install P'n'P kits into OEM housings, hence the "for offroad use only" disclaimer that comes with every single one of these garbage kits.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:25 PM   #18
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@OP ( pjean_07 )

Did you buy these direct from TRS or from somewhere else?



It is true that in general, you'd want to be careful of the HID bulb choice (in addition to all the optics discussion of HID arc vs halogen); aftermarket bulbs may not have the sufficient UV filter to minimize UV radiation from the HID arc. (Note: some non automotive HID bulbs are designed to provide UV radiation, and the difference is mostly just the reduced/lack of UV filter)



Having said that, if they are truly Morimotos from TRS, they should have the proper UV filtering. I use both OE (Philips) and Morimoto bulbs in my HID projectors and haven't ran into any issue for ~4 years now.



My understanding is that OP placed a "rebased" HID bulb (i.e. HID capsules mounted on halogen bulb type bases) to fit into the OE halogen projectors. It is possible that the manufacturer for those rebased Morimoto bulbs is different from Morimoto's bulb offering for "OE bulb base " (i.e. D1S, D2S, D2R, ..., D4S bulbs), and they might be of lower quality. What I know from my personal experience and others in a headlight forum using Morimotos are from their OE bulb base, and I haven't seen any thread postings where people ran into the same issue.



Suppose this was due to the bulb not having sufficient UV filtering, @OP, I would be worried about the reflector bowl of your OE projector. If the amount of UV radiation focused onto the headlight housing lens was enough to haze the lens, I'd imagine the part of the reflector bowl close to the bulb opening (and slightly above the bulb) may be compromised too. A compromised bowl means a dimmer output.



Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to inspect them without opening the headlight housing lens. With an aftermarket clear projector lens, some of these reflector bowl areas can be inspected from the outside. But not the fresnel lensed OE projector.



Side note: Even OE projectors (both halogen and HID) can have reflector bowl damage over time. But with a much larger OE projector volume than aftermarket, the percentage of OE projectors with damaged bowl is probably much smaller than aftermarket. Either way, I don't believe these translate to a hazed housing lens around the low beam's hotspot like that.

I didnt changed the projectors, i just bought a standard morimito hid 35w kit from prolightz here in Canada. As far as i know they are genuine morimoto bulps, Ive sent the pictures to prolightz, morimito and trs just to see if they have any sujestions but they said it looks like condensation that baked on the inside or its the u/v filter that was starting to wear out? I do believe that the lenses are from different materials on the oem hid headlamps or that the projectors are made a different way. If i knew i would had never bought that kit. Im very disapointed.
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Here is the link on the kit that i bought : http://www.prolightz.com/hid/hid-sys...id-system.html
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I just finished a full RetroQuick HID retrofit on my 2011 WRX that I got from prolightz. It's definitely more involved than plugging some new bulbs in, but the light output and clarity is so heckin awesome!
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I just finished a full RetroQuick HID retrofit on my 2011 WRX that I got from prolightz. It's definitely more involved than plugging some new bulbs in, but the light output and clarity is so heckin awesome!
Wich bulps did you used?
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I'm using the Philips 85122 35W
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I'm using the Philips 85122 35W
Ok and your lenses dont look like mine at all? I suspect the bulps might be at fault here.
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Hard to see it but yes, you've got some thermal hazing going on with those lenses. The outside doesn't feel rough when you touch it, does it?

Better switch back to the regular ones ASAP and hopefully the integrity of the lens covers won't be compromised.
I dont really feel any roughness on the outside to be honnest, i will change the bulps back to oem halogen for sure
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I do believe that the lenses are from different materials on the oem hid headlamps ...
Do you mean that the headlight housing you're using is aftermarket?
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