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Old 06-26-2008, 07:51 PM   #1
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Default Nitto Invo vs Kumho ecsta MX... wich one???

i need new tires...im currently using dumlop dz101...

i need fairly priced tires...im not looking for high treadware since i drive my car only on weekends...

since tires here in guatemala are VERY expensive...ive narrowed down my options to 2 tires...

Nitto INVO and Kumho ecsta MX...

the thing with mx's is that they only come (to guatemala) in 235/45/17...

these seem to be super grippy...but they also seem to be a bit noisy and not so good wet traction..

invos on the other hand seem to be better all around in paper...but havent heard anything from them...

wich one would you guys use???...i have JDM V7 wheels (and a guy i knok has them in 235 size so i would say they fit...) weather here is 50/50 rain and sun...

LMK please!
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:34 AM   #2
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:38 AM   #3
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Nitto INVO ftw. Ive heard very negative comments on the mx's (dont perform to their hype and their price) and nothing but complete satisfaction from a few I know with the INVOs. A coworker of mine has the invos on his mercedes in 18's and he absolutely loves them. This is coming from a guy who works for a popular off-roading company and frequently installs tires like contisport contact 2s and michelin pilot sports on our members' high end exotics... so hes ridden them all

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Old 06-27-2008, 11:04 AM   #4
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i had a set of kuhmo ecsta mx and they provided a good amount of grip in the dry and handled competently in the wet.

i would rather have sumitomo htrz3's.
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:14 AM   #5
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kuhmo = fail.

I had the ASX's, not the MX's, but I HATED them. From what I've seen, the invo's are the FAR better option but again, I cannot speak experientially.
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:44 PM   #6
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Apples to oranges really. The MX is a good track tire, but it's old technology. It has a good reputation, but that reputation is dated. This means newer and better products are on the market that surpass them. The Invo is a newer generation tire. It seems to perform pretty well from the few comments/reviews I've seen. How good? I don't know. Are there better options than the Invo? Maybe. It really depends on what aspects you're looking for. Essentially with a tire, you are buying a performance "package." In this "package" you get a certain amount of dry grip, a certain amount of wet grip, a certain heat tolerance, a certain hydroplaning resistance, a certain feel with the road both wet and dry, a certain tolerance to temperature changes, a certain sidewall stiffness, a certain quietness, a certain break away behavior, etc. etc... The MX is a particular package. The Invo is a particular package. The ASX is a particular package. However, all are good in their own design. If you end up not liking a tire, it's primarily because the "package" isn't the right "package" for you. This is in essence the difficulty in the tire selection process. It's helpful to know and understand exactly what you want. Then research every possible option to find a tire or a few that seem to fit well into your desired "package." If the tire "package" is a good fit, you will be happy. If it is a poor fit, you will not be happy.

The fault is really not on the tire but rather on the decision making ability of the consumer. Well, that's not fair. Most people have a good ability to make good decisions. Most people just don't research well enough to gather enough information to allow for good decisions. It's like buying a new car only knowing that it has 4 tires, 4 seats, and is red. Are you going to like it? Who knows. You need more information. Research a LOT, and you will end up at something you will be happy with.

Kuhmo does not equal fail. The ASX was simply the wrong package. The SPT is a very good tire with a lot of good qualities. However, I know certain folks would hate the tire. It's all a matter of fitment.

Why do you only have the MX and Invo to choose from? I assume you have a much wider selection than that. Have you talked to Luke here on the forum to see how much it might be for Tire Rack to ship a set of tires to Guatemala?
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:26 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by howfast? View Post
Nitto INVO ftw. Ive heard very negative comments on the mx's (dont perform to their hype and their price) and nothing but complete satisfaction from a few I know with the INVOs.
Who are you getting these negative comments from? What "hype" is there with the MX, which is at least a 4 year old design? And since the price of the MX is significantly lower than other max performance tires of the same performance capability, I guess since the tires "don't perform to their price" they must perform like a really expensive tire?

As Back Road Runner said, there are newer/better tires than the MXs on the market now, but they are still an excellent bang-for-the-buck tire. You will find plenty of people here who have used them for open track work, where they perform great, wear well, and won't get greasy during extended hard use. They're not the best tire in the wet, but they're not the death trap tire that some people make them out to be. I've had them on my Mustang for years with no issues, and my brother ran them for a couple years on his auto-x/daily driver Eclipse with no issue. He went from generally finishing 3rd or 4th in STS class to generally winning the class at auto-x events. (This was a few years ago, before the RE01R, Neova, etc became the tires to beat in ST classes.)

Originally Posted by smurfwrx View Post
kuhmo = fail.

I had the ASX's, not the MX's, but I HATED them.
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. Since you didn't like Kumho's all-season tires, all of their tires must "fail".

litowrx, I don't have any knowledge of the Invo, so I can't tell you anything there. As I said above, the Kumho MX is a great bang-for-the-buck tire. Excellent dry grip, very good turn-in response, and they seem to wear pretty well. However, they are a bit noisy, and there are better wet weather tires on the market. Since you said you'll be doing a lot of wet weather driving, I would probably not suggest the MX for your situation.

I'm not sure I would suggest the Invo, either, since there's pretty limited information available about it. As Back Road Runner asked, is there any reason you're limited to those 2 specific tires?

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Old 06-28-2008, 03:32 AM   #8
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Guys, thanks a lot... your info has been very helpful...

as far as options...it all comes down to price...these are the only "good" tires (in paper of course) that have realistic prices...

i havent really checked prices on tirerack since i think it would be expensive to ship them (my couriers charges me about 3$ a pound + guatemala tax + other taxes that apply) although every simple part thats on my car, ive imported it myself...it has been quite expensive...

ok, back on subject...i have to pay almost 70$ more per tire here in guatemala...

overall..the invo offers GREAT dry and wet performance... but its 260 treadware seems to tell something different...

The mx's i have considered them only because a friend of mine that also owns a STi has them...they seem to be great tires..(they are also cheaper than the invos) but arer only offered in 235 size..

anything bridgestone, goodyear, yokos etc are 300$ here...so they are stupidly expensive
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