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Old 07-06-2008, 09:32 AM   #1
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I have a few basic questions about wiring, I don't know much about it and I really got way in over my head.

I've taken a look at many wiring diagrams and I can always seem to find a picture of a bulkhead wiring harness and ground point. Now somebody correct me if im wrong. But is that basically all my wiring on the car? and is there a plug in method for ecu's?

I really want to get an understanding for this because i want to get the car running and nobody around me knows how to do it.

And on a whole unrelated issue I want to start on a New Project which is making a subaru or any type of 4 cylinder(preferably turb) run water lolz i know it sounds obsered but it can be done. But I have to get a good understanding on wiring in order to even attempt this.
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Old 07-06-2008, 10:23 AM   #2
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I have a few basic questions about wiring, I don't know much about it and I really got way in over my head.

I've taken a look at many wiring diagrams and I can always seem to find a picture of a bulkhead wiring harness and ground point. Now somebody correct me if im wrong. But is that basically all my wiring on the car? and is there a plug in method for ecu's?
There is no plug in method for Subaru ECU's. If this is the limit of your understanding of wiring you need to hire someone else to do it for you or learn to use the search button and read until you've figured it out.

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And on a whole unrelated issue I want to start on a New Project which is making a subaru or any type of 4 cylinder(preferably turb) run water lolz i know it sounds obsered but it can be done. But I have to get a good understanding on wiring in order to even attempt this.
You cannot run a car on water. Sorry- it doesn't work. 2nd law of thermodynamics. Read it and be less ignorant.
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:01 PM   #3
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why is it that all the time there is someone trying to say they know more and really don't know nothing..

Ok I admit I dont know about wiring but Don't tell me about something you have no clue about.. Hey punk i already made a scooter run on water..

Theoretically speaking gasoline is just a gas so if you can find a way to open up the head gasket and shove water vapor down there it will power your car... So go to hell and bash someone else i need answers..

And if you wanna see my scooter run on water come to Sherman Oaks, CA punk And I will shut you up
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:10 PM   #4
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And it sucks that these mods or admins w/e you wanna call your selves always have the same forum of approach first criticize you for not known then saying something then saying it won't work LoL...By the way Honda already makes a car that runs on water...LoL..So ham you should read not me...

The major problem I have now is that the engine in my possession is fuel injected so unlike my scooter it has many senors and wires that I have no clue how to get rid of..I'm sure it can be done on a FI engine but somehow I need to find a way to wire a engine management to the car.. Any Ideas? Not from ham lol hes a fool

Sorry Mods And Admins...He wasn't one of you, just a so called specialist.

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Old 07-06-2008, 07:14 PM   #5
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Heya! Props to you on the scooter. I am developing water splitters to use in place of the spark plugs so I can power my project(s) off water. What do you need to know about the engine swap specifically? Also, what engine are you swapping in and into what model. Here is an example of what I do;

Here are some videos of the car, as well as some pics;
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3088011
http://video.cardomain.com/armigerlives

To anyone who says you cannot run a car off water, by splitting that water into its basic components (Hydroxy). Do some research. We aren't talking about Hydrogen boosters, there is no point seeming as to how boosters only aid petrol. I personally agree that an on board generator is not a feasible answer. You have to create just enough hydrogen to do what you need at the location you need it. This will consume a fraction of the energy it would take to pressurize a hydrogen fuel system via a generator located on-board. Don't hate, ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of... unless you complacent in your ignorance feel that you know better than those who are not ignorant of the topic.
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:25 PM   #6
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You cannot run a car on water. Sorry- it doesn't work. 2nd law of thermodynamics. Read it and be less ignorant.
the Second Law states that itís impossible to extract more work (i.e., useful, directed energy) from a system than the quantity of available energy will permit.

What I am working on takes a certain amount of one energy (electricity) and uses it to change the form of one substance to that of another (H2O - HHO). This being done on a small scale converting efficiently the exact amount need for the application as needed by the application. I am not proposing that it will not require adding more than the stock amount of power output from the vehicles system but I am saying it can be done and be made managable enough to be used on a daily reliable basis.
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Old 07-06-2008, 10:00 PM   #7
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What I am working on takes a certain amount of one energy (electricity) and uses it to change the form of one substance to that of another (H2O - HHO). This being done on a small scale converting efficiently the exact amount need for the application as needed by the application. I am not proposing that it will not require adding more than the stock amount of power output from the vehicles system but I am saying it can be done and be made managable enough to be used on a daily reliable basis.
Exactly- you have to add more than water to the system. Therefor- you cannot run an engine on water alone. Anyone who thinks an engine can run on water alone is smoking some good stuff, or just ignorant.
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Old 07-06-2008, 10:15 PM   #8
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Thanks armigerlives, Goodluck with your project, It will be a while before I begin Mine. I got in way over my head and bought an ej20t and trying to put it in a Gm. Now don't have money left and thinking about selling, or rebuilding into a hydropower..
It is possible that way but I know a simpler method. Anyway hope this helps you out a bit and Ham I will explain it for you.

The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal
combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
This is simply an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and
oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it
plugs into your carburetor with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hipressure
carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI.
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or
plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically create more vapor for
immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum
power. The only real change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the
traditional petroleum-based fuel

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Old 07-06-2008, 10:59 PM   #9
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Thanks armigerlives, Goodluck with your project, It will be a while before I begin Mine. I got in way over my head and bought an ej20t and trying to put it in a Gm. Now don't have money left and thinking about selling, or rebuilding into a hydropower..
It is possible that way but I know a simpler method. Anyway hope this helps you out a bit and Ham I will explain it for you.

The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal
combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
This is simply an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and
oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it
plugs into your carburetor with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hipressure
carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI.
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or
plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically create more vapor for
immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum
power. The only real change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the
traditional petroleum-based fuel


Yeah- like I said before, that won't work. If you don't believe me go try it.

While you are at it I suggest again- read the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:01 PM   #10
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In an attempt to provide actual information pertaining to the main question: I found lots of info on the basics of EFI engine operation from the MegaSquirt boards (since they talk alot about theory) as well as the EFI101 class I took.

I believe that, as a minimum, you would need one sensor to tell the ECU the engine speed and another sensor to tell the ECU engine load. Extra sensors allow more resolution to your tune. Aftermarket ECU systems let you decide what sensors are used and their parameters. OEM ECUs are hard-coded and offer limited sensor modification.

Hope that helps!

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