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Old 04-02-2002, 01:46 PM   #1
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Exclamation The Return of The Hill-Holder Clutch!

I was watching Motortrend TV last night on Nasc... err the Speed Channel and they were talking about the new models coming out next year.

They showed the new 2003 Forester and they said that it would have a Hill-Holder Clutch again!

I love the Hill-Holder Clutch in my 1986 GL, I wish my WRX had it!

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Old 04-02-2002, 01:53 PM   #2
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Are the 2003 Rex's going to have it too? I love the one in my 87 Gl! It really helped when I was learning to drive stick.
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Old 04-02-2002, 02:19 PM   #3
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I have it on the 93 Legacy. Pretty sweet feature...something that would probably get more people driving sticks.

Why did Subaru dump it anyway?
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Old 04-02-2002, 03:03 PM   #4
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Talking I ws just thinking about this...

I loved usiing that when I had my 81GL. I tried a few times in my WRX to see if I pressed the clutch hard enough it would hold the car, but that didn't seem to work very well.

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Old 04-02-2002, 03:46 PM   #5
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hmm...never heard of a "hill-holder" clutch before...how does it work? sounds nifty.

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Old 04-02-2002, 03:54 PM   #6
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there great when they work


alot of the hillholders seized up and caused the clutch to wear out or the car wont move at all.



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Old 04-02-2002, 04:21 PM   #7
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Hopefully, they fixed the issues with it. It's a great concept that could get more people driving stick.

I, personally, wouldn't need it, but as long as it were reliable, I wouldn't mind having it.

wigglescjr,

It's a system that basically keeps the car from rolling backwards on a hill when you start from a stop. I remember a commercial for it from way back that had a subie on a hill in front of a dump truck stopped like 2 inches off the subie's bumper. The brake lights went out on the subie, and nothing happened. Pretty cool.

This is an especially useful feature in cities like San Francisco and Seattle with all the steep streets. I can use the handbrake to get the same effect, but that takes practice, and us Americans are pretty lazy when it comes to that kind of stuff

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Old 04-02-2002, 04:52 PM   #8
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The one good reason for hill holder is towing your boat out of the water....no need to play any tricks with the breaks.
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Old 04-02-2002, 05:20 PM   #9
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I think you need a cable operated clutch for it

I have it and love it. Did a clutch and flywheel at 160K

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Old 04-03-2002, 02:09 AM   #10
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In my little time driving stick, I have had 0 problem with hills (exept when I was first learning of course, now I have it down pat!)
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Old 04-03-2002, 03:15 AM   #11
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wigglesxjr hmm...never heard of a "hill-holder" clutch before...how does it work? sounds nifty

The way it worked was that you pushed the brake and clutch in on a hill. Then you took your foot aff the brake, but it was still on untill you let go of the clutch. It had the same affect as using the hand brake on a hill, but was way easier.
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Old 04-03-2002, 09:30 AM   #12
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Yeah. That's what car's need. More crap to do what you can easily do yourself with a little practice. It's just one more thing to add weight and break down. Automatic transmissions, ABS, stability control, hill holder clutches are all crutches for ppl who should not be behind the wheel. If you can't figure out how to do a hill start with a man trans then perhaps you should not be driving a stick. There is no substitute for driver training. A performance driving course would be a much better place to spend the extra bucks. Maybe Subaru should spend development time/$ fixing the crappy ABS systems they put in our cars. Like not engaging at the mere hint of a bump in a corner or putting a switch on the ABS so driving on gravel wasn't a risk taking excercise. My 2 cents (CDN) worth.
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Old 04-03-2002, 10:29 AM   #13
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I remember checking Subaru UK and Australia's web site years back before new age impreza was out and noticed WRX never had a hill-holder. From the point of view of Subaru, if you don't know how to start a WRX on hills, maybe you shouldn't drive one. Now hill-holders for Forester is understandable because Foresters are marketed towards women (just pay attetion to all those Forester TV commercials).

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Old 04-03-2002, 01:09 PM   #14
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Yeah. That's what car's need. More crap to do what you can easily do yourself with a little practice. It's just one more thing to add weight and break down. Automatic transmissions, ABS, stability control, hill holder clutches are all crutches for ppl who should not be behind the wheel. If you can't figure out how to do a hill start with a man trans then perhaps you should not be driving a stick. There is no substitute for driver training. A performance driving course would be a much better place to spend the extra bucks. Maybe Subaru should spend development time/$ fixing the crappy ABS systems they put in our cars. Like not engaging at the mere hint of a bump in a corner or putting a switch on the ABS so driving on gravel wasn't a risk taking excercise. My 2 cents (CDN) worth.
Perfectly spoken by someone who comes from somewhere perfectly flat!! I grew up in San Francisco and my parents ONLY had manual transmission cars, I am so good at hill-starts I don't even need to use my parking brake! I was just saying the the Hill-Holder was nice but I don't need it. But I park my GL on a hilly street, and it makes it a lot less anoying to park.

So you can have your 1.2 US Cents back!
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Old 04-03-2002, 01:47 PM   #15
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there great when they work


alot of the hillholders seized up and caused the clutch to wear out or the car wont move at all.



jp
agreed... I had to disconnect mine in my 84 subie because it would leak when used. Nothing like loosing your brakes when you use the clutch
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Old 04-03-2002, 02:05 PM   #16
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A friend of mine had the anti-rollback option on his 99 Legacy GT 2.5. Sent it to the dealer for an unrelated repair and it came back disconnected.

At any rate, the only times I wish I had the anti-rollback were when some tool stops way too close to my rear bumper on a hill or trying to get out of a tight uphill parking spot. Not impossible situations to get out of without it though.
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Old 04-03-2002, 02:31 PM   #17
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Automatic transmissions, ABS, stability control, hill holder clutches are all crutches for ppl who should not be behind the wheel.
Well, first off you need to know who you are talking about here: Americans. We feel we have a right to drive (and a right to cheap gas, climate controlled malls, etc.)! In truth, there are no other options 99% of the time. If you want to hold a job, contribute to society, and be self-sufficient you must own and drive a car. Our country is sparsely enough populated in most areas as to make mass transit economically/logistically unrealistic. (The San Jose/San Francisco Bay Area has no excuse, however.)
Back on topic, I would not need this feature - I somewhat agree with you that it should be an option as opposed to a standard feature. I feel the same way about power windows. I have no problem driving in San Francisco with my stick shift. I guess I'm a freak because I also have no problem getting the car into first gear at any reasonable speed.
But, for the record, I like *some* of the technically complex, weight adding features such as air bags, stereo systems, turbo chargers, intercoolers
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Old 04-03-2002, 06:48 PM   #18
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Sounds like a nifty thing to have as long as:

1. It isn't problematic
2. You can roll backward in neutral if you want to.

Personally, I grew a third leg.
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Old 04-04-2002, 04:39 AM   #19
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I've never heard of this thing but from the sound of it, it sounds good/ Wouldn't hurt either. I wouldn't use it either but hey, it'd be good to know that if i felt like using it, i could use it.
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Old 04-04-2002, 02:09 PM   #20
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The hillholder clutch was on every manual transmission Subaru with a cable clutch since the early 80's ... perhaps even the 70's. It was based on a patent that Subaru had bought from Studebaker. As far as I know, it RELIED on the car having a cable clutch. This is why the later Subies with hydraulic clutches didn't have them.

But now they're adding them again. From this, I can deduce that they've totally reworked the way these things operate, and are just calling it the same thing. So hopefully, it will be much more reliable!
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Old 04-04-2002, 05:27 PM   #21
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I've never heard of this thing but from the sound of it, it sounds good/ Wouldn't hurt either. I wouldn't use it either but hey, it'd be good to know that if i felt like using it, i could use it.
The hill holder system was always working, it wasn't a part-time system. However, if you did want to roll backwards all you had to do was lift up on the clutch a little bit to disengage the brake (but not enough to engage the clutch).

Between my Dad and I, we have 400k miles on early 90's Legacys and neither of us has had a problem with the hill-holder.

Oh yea, tekriter, kiss my ass you elitist beoch. It's not our fault you've got a ****ty ABS system.
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Old 04-04-2002, 06:15 PM   #22
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Between my Dad and I, we have 400k miles on early 90's Legacys and neither of us has had a problem with the hill-holder.

Oh yea, tekriter, kiss my ass you elitist beoch. It's not our fault you've got a ****ty ABS system.
I concur!

my GL has 202K miles on it and the Hill-Holder Clutch STILL works perfectly.

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i love my hillholder!!!!
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Old 04-06-2002, 09:30 PM   #24
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Yeah tekriter, I agree that a performance driving school will improve hill starts, and that people who cant do hill starts shouldnt drive a stick....get of your frocking high horse.

Hill holders are cool...'nuff said.


Oh, and the comment about the hill holder for women and the automatic tranny being a crutch for people who cant drive:

1) Mommy and daddy made me buy my Impreza, and an automatic was all I could find. I am secure with my "manhood" as you probably would scall it, and I don't care what I have...I can drive both.

2) I know many girls who drive a stick better than any guy I've driven with....

Point being tekriter, youre a bieoch!

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Old 04-06-2002, 09:51 PM   #25
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looks like tekriter needs to buy a honda.
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