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Old 02-13-2009, 04:27 PM   #1
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Default Epic Engineering Rear Swaybar Impressions!

Hi, Just wanted to write a quick review on my new Rear Sway Bar install on the Epic Engineering 22mm Solid Bar.

Before i had received the front sway bar from Dan. I had done an AutoX event @ cali speedway to see what my car can do. I usually like the canyon running routes etc. etc.but this was good since i was able to push my car to its limits around tight cornering and slalom. So..

Previous Setup @ AutoX-Fun Run/NON COMPETITIVE.
-2007 WRX WAGON before Epic Swaybar.
-COBB F&R 25mm Hollow Bars. (fronts only have 1 setting Rears were on middle seettings)
-Kartboy Endlinks All 4
-Prodrive Lowering Springs (stock Struts)
-Zr rated 225/40/18 Nittos
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Alignment- Fronts were -2.5/-2.7 camber 0 Toe & Rears -1.5 camber
Wasnt sure of Caster.( with the - camber, i noticed better handling instantly)


My impressions with the setup above @ autocross were impressive, but i had realized that YES, it makes the front end flat around turns, but i noticed load of understeer run after run after run. Even when the tires were warmed up, understeer with a little rear end happiness. After lunch, i had one of the instructors give me a run with him driving my car. Halfway through the run, i had asked him if he thought my car had some unwanted understeer. He replied, "Yes i do, what kind of setup are you running." I explained. He said i should mess around and find whats best for me car/setup. Took that into consideration.


After, i spoke with Dan @ Epic, explained and he told me to put the stock front bar on and put the Epic Engineering Rear 22mm Solid Bar on. and go for a nice test drive and let me know how that feels. So i went and did exactly that.

NEW SETUP AFTER AUTOX AND IMPRESSIONS ON DRIVING FEEL.
Stock Front Sway bar
Epic Engineering Rear 22mm Solid 3 way adjustable.(set on lowest)
KB Endlinks all 4
Everything else stayed the same.


I pull out of the shop, and there is a route where we go on test drive in the industrial streets with nice bends and turns. Yes, i felt abit of front body roll...didnt bother me. But i did realize in 2nd gear damn near pinned around this bend/turn, the understeer that i would normally feel.....GONE, it had literally went away with little to no tire squeal. this was the same route i had taken my car on when i had the COBB F&R sway bars on. The Rear felt tight and predictable and exactly the way i wanted it to feel, and instantly knew the swaybar from epic was doing its job just right!

Im not a Subaru GURU....i dont know everything about these cars...but i do know the handling characteristics and take advice from a selected few on car mods power or suspension.

So Conclusions, Thanks Dan @ epic engineering for giving me a few tips to help out this understeer problem . The Rear Sway Bar swaybar was a breeze to install and the fitment was great. Definetly like this setup NOW, then the COBB sway bars. Just the make and how thick the bar was by the endlink to swaybar area. Cobb ones werent as thick and were hollow..ill sacrifice that weight.

Here are some pics- THANKS DAN AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR READING. Hope that people know that coilovers isnt everything to make a car handle great!

all in all , Rear sway bar with good Alignment with good tires can do all the difference when running a non tuned coilover setup.



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great review and story! that Dan guy isn't as bad as most people say! now i can't wait to get my epic parts and auto-x this summer!
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Great review, Alex.


+12345 for Epic. Dan puts a lot of thought (and love) into his products.
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Very nice review. I can't wait to get my set of Epic Springs and rear sway.
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^^ thanks everyone!

Dan has treated me right throughout the years!
Hope the best for Epic Engineering! great guys.
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Great review, Gully. Looks like you're having fun with your car, brother.
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Could the massive difference in going to this sway over the cobb front and rear sways be perhaps compounded and undermined by the fact that you actually took AWAY the cobb front sway and went back to the OEM front sway, in addition to going to a stiffer rear sway. With an aftermarket rear sway and stock front sway the car will indeed tend to understeer less without equal stiffness front and rear.
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Great review, Gully. Looks like you're having fun with your car, brother.

thanks! I sure am. and hope all is well with yoU!



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Could the massive difference in going to this sway over the cobb front and rear sways be perhaps compounded and undermined by the fact that you actually took AWAY the cobb front sway and went back to the OEM front sway, in addition to going to a stiffer rear sway. With an aftermarket rear sway and stock front sway the car will indeed tend to understeer less without equal stiffness front and rear.

The car under steered less after -camber adjustments, and that's why i had not given a review about just the swaybars. i explained how the car felt with and without to give people more insight on how to mod accordingly.

and what was your question???

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i'm in the middle of figuring out suspension upgrades and i think you just solved my problem. i was thinking coils but that seemed like overkill and most springs i saw weren't designed to work very well with stock struts, which meant new struts, which drives the price up etc...

so now i have one question: i can find the springs, but who's selling the sway bar?
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i'm in the middle of figuring out suspension upgrades and i think you just solved my problem. i was thinking coils but that seemed like overkill and most springs i saw weren't designed to work very well with stock struts, which meant new struts, which drives the price up etc...

so now i have one question: i can find the springs, but who's selling the sway bar?


Epic Engineering has great lowering springs for our cars, as for the sway bar, talk to Dan @ Epic Engineering and im sure he will help you out.
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i think either my pm's are broken or got lost because nobody i've sent one to has responded for the last couple days :/

so Dan if you see this i'm interested in a sway bar
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i think either my pm's are broken or got lost because nobody i've sent one to has responded for the last couple days :/

so Dan if you see this i'm interested in a sway bar
srsly,

The following dealers have the swaybar in stock and ready to ship:
Oakos - http://www.oakos.com/
Rally Sport Direct - http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/
World One Performance - http://www.worldoneperformance.com/


If you have any trouble... Please let me know.
Thank you for your interest in our product.

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i think either my pm's are broken or got lost because nobody i've sent one to has responded for the last couple days :/

so Dan if you see this i'm interested in a sway bar

hope you got more info on your bar

Let us all know what you think!
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My Epic springs come in tomorrow!!! Can't wait!
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Very nice write up.

We have the sway bars up on our site now along with the pre-season Epic spring/sway bar combos.

Thanks Dan!!

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so i got my springs and i am very pleased. the drop is pretty much perfect, not too low, just got rid of the monster truck gap and the lower center of gravity seems to have helped a bit with hard braking nose dive. the car's attitude feels a bit flatter than before, not dramatic, but definitely noticeable.

the sway bar... i couldn't get the dang thing on. it seems like the bushings are too big for the factory mounting clamp. we would put the bushing on, clamp the factory clamp around it, hook it around the mounting stud in the front, and try as we might we could [b]not[b] thread the rear screw into the mount. even just putting the bushing around the bar it doesn't close all the way so i'm thinking i might try shaving a tiny bit at a time from the inside until it does. i'm going to give this a try later today so if anyone has any other suggestions i'm open to them. otherwise i'll let you all know how it goes.
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Thumbs up Big thanks to Dan and also Worldone for the install job.

Well I finally got round to getting my car in for the sway bar install, and instead of starting a new thread, I figured I'll place my review in this one.

My current suspension setup was Epic's springs on the stock struts. Just the springs made a difference, and now the sway bar makes a huge improvement.

As I backed out the parking stall of their shop, I could feel the difference. I took a blast around the block, some good twisties are pretty close by, perfect to check for squeaks and knocks.

The understeer has gone, it turns in so nice and just on the straights the steering feels more firm and responsive.
I had the Perrin bar on my old sedan, and was not impressed with the finish, it flaked off in less than a year, and then I had squeaking issues in under a month.
The finish on this bar appears to be a lot tougher, only time will tell, but bottom line is, I'm impressed with the products that Epic has presented us with so far, and can't wait to see what else they have in store for us.

If "spirited" daily driving is your thing, you can't go wrong with this setup.
Since it's the wife's everyday car she loves it, which is pretty important.

I'm starting to sound like a fanboi!

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^^^ +1

specialev helped me figure out the sway mounting problem. turns out jacking it up real high and a little grease makes a big difference

same impressions. flatter and firmer on corners. one thing i have to keep reminding myself though is that the turn in is much better so i don't need to yank the wheel like i used to a couple turns i made on the way home i was a little surprised when i felt the end come around and i thought for sure i was going to skid but it held and it held good.

the combination of these springs and sway is very well worth it.
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^ great to hear. get that nice alignment after the springs settle in, and youll be on your way!
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how do the springs compare to STI take offs? are they progressive? wife feels my car is too stiff or bouncy since i'm running STI take offs and stock struts. i do need some clearance though since i take my car to the field for work all the time.
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how do the springs compare to STI take offs? are they progressive? wife feels my car is too stiff or bouncy since i'm running STI take offs and stock struts. i do need some clearance though since i take my car to the field for work all the time.

bump, anyone?? i can give you a ride in my prodrive springs, possibly could be the same feel, maybe a bit stiffer with epics. idk.
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how do the springs compare to STI take offs? are they progressive? wife feels my car is too stiff or bouncy since i'm running STI take offs and stock struts. i do need some clearance though since i take my car to the field for work all the time.


Night & Day

These are 2-way progressive springs and where designed to use the factory struts.
You will notice virtually no oscillation compared to factory.

Iím not 100% sure what your clearance requirements areÖ but, I have never had any issues. Nor have had to enter a driveway sideways.

I would suggest using factory sway bars or no bigger than 24mm in the rear to obtain a comfortable ride.

Please let me know if you have any other questions

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thanks for the clarification!

my clearance requirement is that it not be any lower than the STI take offs or just a tad lower. if it needs a piece of wood to get the car up rhino ramps, then it's too low.
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bump for epic spring owners and anyone else who wants to decide about sway bars
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