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Old 03-07-2016, 01:34 PM   #1
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Which class can i legally run. Car is setup for trackdays but would like to run some autox. yes its not a subaru and i did read the rulebook but i cant really make sense of the new changes.

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Tire choice shouldnt matter due to rest of mods if i read the rules correctly?

Still working on suspension but its stock for now but with the hood change i dont think it matters?
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Street Mod with the hood swap. If you go back to a stock hood you could run ESP or maybe STP which would likely be a better choice if you want to be more competitive.
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:56 PM   #3
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Street Mod with the hood swap. If you go back to a stock hood you could run ESP or maybe STP which would likely be a better choice if you want to be more competitive.
I have a stock hood but its in bad shape. I suppose i could throw it on and cut holes in it for the aerocatc hood pins.

I really dont care about being that competitive just dont want the whiners bitching about what class i run.

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Old 03-07-2016, 02:31 PM   #4
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I have a stock hood but its in bad shape. I suppose i could throw it on and cut holes in it for the aerocatc hood pins.

I really dont care about being that competitive just dont want the whiners bitching about what class i run.

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If no cares about competitiveness then SM is the easy button. If you do a bunch of the rear end stuff down the road you'd go to CP which allows for suspension pick up point relocation.

At the local level if you don't have a nationals guy in SM it's usually a pretty soft class. The usual boost buggies with a turbo swap, BMW's with swaps, etc. When someone shows up with a wing and big hoosiers then you'll feel some pain.
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Old 03-07-2016, 06:32 PM   #5
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SM no fun when you run in a region with Josh Salvage and Don and Karleton Lew. I look at their times and think "A good run for me is only losing to those guys by 4 seconds".... and they are kind of also rans at nationals....
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:42 AM   #6
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If no cares about competitiveness then SM is the easy button. If you do a bunch of the rear end stuff down the road you'd go to CP which allows for suspension pick up point relocation.

At the local level if you don't have a nationals guy in SM it's usually a pretty soft class. The usual boost buggies with a turbo swap, BMW's with swaps, etc. When someone shows up with a wing and big hoosiers then you'll feel some pain.
I'm waiting for a watts link and i plan on getting some take offs for the 18x10s That would put me into CP automatically right?
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:44 AM   #7
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Not sure on the watts link. SM rules say as long as you're using the OE suspension pick up points on the body of the car you're good to go. If you're changing the body suspension points then you go somewhere else. Outside of those bolt points everything suspension is open. I'm not familiar enough with SRA cars to know what the watts link does in terms of relocation so hopefully that's enough info to decide. I can tell you that CP is usually slower than SM and you might have more fun there since it's all American iron.

Wheels are also open.
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Old 03-08-2016, 02:56 PM   #8
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Not sure on the watts link. SM rules say as long as you're using the OE suspension pick up points on the body of the car you're good to go. If you're changing the body suspension points then you go somewhere else. Outside of those bolt points everything suspension is open. I'm not familiar enough with SRA cars to know what the watts link does in terms of relocation so hopefully that's enough info to decide. I can tell you that CP is usually slower than SM and you might have more fun there since it's all American iron.

Wheels are also open.
It changes the points, you completely remove the panhard bar and use a different part of the body.

Unless i find one used its going to be a bit before i snag one anyway. I might run in SM to see what times im putting down. The weight gain of the stock hood is only 8 more pounds vs the fiberglass.

If i can be competitive in CP then i will throw the bent stocker on. I have a 4x8 trailer for a jack/tires/tools anyway.
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Old 03-08-2016, 03:48 PM   #9
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CP is actually a higher level of prep than SM so the hoods are fine in either place. However, CP is generally slower because of the setup and cars. So if you're going to plan in SM or CP the car's basically good to go as is.
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Old 03-10-2016, 04:34 AM   #10
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CP is actually a higher level of prep than SM so the hoods are fine in either place. However, CP is generally slower because of the setup and cars. So if you're going to plan in SM or CP the car's basically good to go as is.
That makes sense. The car has lots of potential, my driving needs a lot more help than the car.


As a side note. What class does a 2015 Genesis 5.0 ultimate package fit in? Just bought one for my wife,. Car definitely moves.
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Old 03-10-2016, 09:55 AM   #11
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That makes sense. The car has lots of potential, my driving needs a lot more help than the car.


As a side note. What class does a 2015 Genesis 5.0 ultimate package fit in? Just bought one for my wife,. Car definitely moves.
For street class it should be in FS. Pretty much every RWD V8 that's not otherwise classed falls into FS.
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googling.. 5.0L 420hp V8. nice!

http://www.scca.com/pages/solo-cars-and-rules

It looks like it would currently fall under Hyundai "NOC" (not otherwise classed) in HS as far as Street classing.
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HS or FS hmm still gonna get smoked but would be fun beating someone with a couch on wheels.

Honestly it handles well for a boat. Magnetic shocks , staggered wide 275 / 245 rubber, full under tray, selectable modes, fast 8 speed auto, monobloc front caliper, defeatable stability and traction control, and seats that are just as supportive as some recaros.

Practically a race car.

I pushed it some last night, other than getting upset over some rough road (never pushed or pulled just kinda freaked out, prob from a low spring rate ) it handles well.
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SM no fun when you run in a region with Josh Salvage and Don and Karleton Lew. I look at their times and think "A good run for me is only losing to those guys by 4 seconds".... and they are kind of also rans at nationals....
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Old 12-08-2016, 05:45 PM   #15
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I've been autocrossing the last few years with a slightly modded 5-spd '88 Fiero Formula in STR class. I love the car, and it handles very well... but with perhaps 150 HP tops, I wanted more grunt for the track.

Enter the JDM '98 Impreza WRX STi 5-spd wagon that I've acquired as of last week. As far as I know, it's bone stock/unmolested. Any idea what class this car would be put in?

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That line was never included in the SCCA rules since we never got those cars. Recently we actually updated the rules to explicitly disallow JDM cars in Street Mod, so your next stop would be XP despite being bone stock.

I would suggest talking to your local region and seeing if they're fine with you running in a tire class or maybe SM if others are ok with it.
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Please be gentle with a Scoobie newb.

I've been autocrossing the last few years with a slightly modded 5-spd '88 Fiero Formula in STR class. I love the car, and it handles very well... but with perhaps 150 HP tops, I wanted more grunt for the track.

Enter the JDM '98 Impreza WRX STi 5-spd wagon that I've acquired as of last week. As far as I know, it's bone stock/unmolested. Any idea what class this car would be put in?
We run stock JDM cars in SSM in Canada. So you can do pretty much any mods you like save a few like relocating suspension mounting points (like an ALK), gutting the entire interior, or some select aftermarket bracing options (like a rear trunk x or triangle brace).

EDIT: I just read scubydude's message. I'm not sure if that will include us as well. I'm sure nobody will have a problem with you running in SSM but that may change in the future...
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That line was never included in the SCCA rules since we never got those cars. Recently we actually updated the rules to explicitly disallow JDM cars in Street Mod, so your next stop would be XP despite being bone stock.

I would suggest talking to your local region and seeing if they're fine with you running in a tire class or maybe SM if others are ok with it.
Damn, I was just looking for a simple answer. Thanks.

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We run stock JDM cars in SSM in Canada. So you can do pretty much any mods you like save a few like relocating suspension mounting points (like an ALK), gutting the entire interior, or some select aftermarket bracing options (like a rear trunk x or triangle brace).
Okay, great. At this time I have no desire to start gutting the car for weight savings etc. I autocross just for fun. In the old days (I'm talking the 70's) we would street race on Hastings or Kingsway in east Van and Burnaby. Going out to the pad at Pitt Meadows now is a much better alternative for messing about.

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EDIT: I'm sure nobody will have a problem with you running in SSM but that may change in the future...
I normally go to the BCCC and PCA-CWR events at Pitt Meadows. I'll contact their guys who run the show and ask them. Thanks.
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Damn, I was just looking for a simple answer.Thanks.



Okay, great. At this time I have no desire to start gutting the car for weight savings etc. I autocross just for fun. In the old days (I'm talking the 70's) we would street race on Hastings or Kingsway in east Van and Burnaby. Going out to the pad at Pitt Meadows now is a much better alternative for messing about.



I normally go to the BCCC and PCA-CWR events at Pitt Meadows. I'll contact their guys who run the show and ask them. Thanks.
It is unlikely either of those clubs will care what class you run in as long as it sounds reasonable (not h stock lol). VCMC will probably mind and maybe ubcscc if you start to win during their series. If you start to do regional championships, Canadian nats, or head down to Packwood, you will really have to double check what class you're supposed to be in.

I would just go into ssm like all the other JDM cars typically do and call it a day until someone protests.
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It is unlikely either of those clubs will care what class you run in as long as it sounds reasonable (not h stock lol).
They're going to be so surprised after six years to see me turn up in something other than a Fiero. With this STi, I'm expecting to get around the course a little faster... especially in the rain!
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