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07-05-2009, 03:05 AM | #1 |
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Is this worth $12K?
Hey guys,
Been gathering info for a swap for a while now - plan is to find a wrecked STi and swap EVERYTHING (including interior) into an 02 OBS. So, found this on eBay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subar...fCarsQ5fTrucks Anyways - reserve is set for "a little below 12K". Based on what I've seen, I think this is a fair price for all I'm getting. Looks like I'd need nothing except a rad (and a new airbag). What do you guys think? Anything I'm missing? Cheers!
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07-05-2009, 08:15 AM | #2 |
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I have no idea what it is worth, but in the description of the car he states that it has multi-link rear suspension.
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07-05-2009, 11:02 AM | #3 |
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thats a some what fair price in all ideal not bad im in the process of buying this....
im giving the guy 9k for it and everything is fine the car has 6,2xx miles on it and the only thing that broke is the right rear axle and trailing arm... and sense im only 19 and dont have 9k right away to pull out of my pocket i convensed the guy to let me sell all the stuff i dont need (Im swaping everything into my 2001 rs).... took me 5 months to convince him but the car has be sitting in the guys garage for 10 months prior to me talking to him he was asking way to much for it origanlly and he just finally got to busy to do anything with it so i talked him into letting me buy/part out what i dont need and just pay him for the rest.... this was 2 months ago that he finally said ok to seel the parts i dont need... to the date ive sold 3500 worth of parts off the car and thats only exteior pecies nothing else and next weekend i have the stock vf43 and stock sti top mount sold for 880... so whats the total i owe him now "4,600" give or take a few... which is a steal and trust me ive done tons of reasearch on crashed sti and wrx's and i almost bought a crashed 02 wrx but passed on it thank god i did... o and one more plus the guy only lives 30 mins from me so its easy to do what i want with it dont have to ship it across the country or anything like that.... but when i tell people this story the first words out of their mouths is "****ing amazing deal"... lol and i think so to i just got really lucky with this one and im sure if i had 6k in hand the guy would of let it go but like i said im only 19 in collage and this money comes out of my pocket this is not being paid for mommy and daddy what so ever... im working my ass off for this car lol.... but to get back on point here 12k for the car is a resonable price... would i buy it "NO" just cuz i know there's better deals out there... but if this is the car yr set on man then i'd say go for it if not there are always others out there... do i think u can find a deal like me "yes" u just got to search hard and i mean hard.... lol its a crazy story of how i acually found my sti but wont go into that.. but i hope this gives u a better idea on what to look for and if u got any questions man feel free to pm me... and good luck with the buy man |
07-05-2009, 11:07 AM | #4 | |
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RSSTI : Thanks for the input. I live way in the boonies, so I'll most likely have to ship anyways. The other problem is time : I've got to get this started pretty soon, and completed for the fall as well. So, I could keep searching for a while, but this is available right now and is pretty much what I want....time is money, yet again. Last edited by SilverJS; 07-05-2009 at 11:13 AM. |
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07-05-2009, 11:17 AM | #5 |
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I've seen these guys before. They just buy and sell wrecks, that's why I'm not surprised the ad is wrong. I bought my 05 wreck for 7k (think it was 7, maybe 8) not including interior. It had only front end damage and the rest of the car was perfect. It was like this Ebay one minus the interior.
I think that looks like it's worth 12k. I've got to say having two cars side by side is THE way to do the swap. I'd investigate the airbag system before swapping. The airbags became very complicated in later years. If the bags deployed, the airbag controller on the 07 needs to be replace and the clockspring in the steering wheel might need replacement too. I'd suggest trying to stick with the older airbag system. Last edited by MasterKwan; 07-05-2009 at 11:23 AM. |
07-05-2009, 11:23 AM | #6 | |
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07-05-2009, 11:24 AM | #7 |
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Simul-post, Yeah I removed that comment because I decided I was wrong.
I was thinking the knuckle took a hit and was bent but, from the impact it looks like the wheel didn't get hit. I have a bent STI knuckle in my shed from someone popping a curb. The cast iron does bend before it breaks. If the bearing's ok then the knuckles probably ok too. |
07-05-2009, 11:30 AM | #8 | |
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and SilverJS i'd say get it then but like MasterKwan says the airbag system is a bitch thats why my goal was to find one not crashed in the front what so ever makes things easy lol but if yr willing to deal with this and cough up a little more for that stuff then get the car man it has low miles and u can part out what u dont use |
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07-05-2009, 01:21 PM | #9 |
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Yeah - at the very worst, Millenium Auto or this forum (the part-out part, I guess) can help me out with the airbags. I'll do some research, but for now, I guess I'm stuck with this one - unless somebody else has another STi wreck for me? =) Cash waiting, no s**t...
The other option (and I seriously considered this) is buying an actual FULL STi. A running car. I see them go all the time here for 15000 or so. (04s with more mileage and/or rebuilt titles, mind you, but I don't really care...) That's not that much more expensive than the car I'm looking at. My budget is fairly high, and I wouldn't even mind forking out the cash for a full running STi and keeping that as my car, but I need a wagon and WANT the STi engine. =) So, the way I see it, whatever less I'm spending than buying a full running STi is saved. Either way, I've got to start moving soon. Can anybody point me to some threads or links containing info on the airbag issue? cars101.com doesn't seem to have anything, and I can't seem to find any info with regards to a direct difference between MYs06 and 07 airbags.... Last edited by SilverJS; 07-05-2009 at 01:53 PM. |
07-05-2009, 01:35 PM | #10 |
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if it's really crashed, it shouldn't ever get over 7k imho. No matter what, it's a very up and down thing with buying crashed vehicles, sometimes you can find them dirt cheap if you look hard enough.
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07-05-2009, 01:45 PM | #11 |
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Silver, you have a very good point. If you buy an STI, it'll always be an STI and have some value. If you do a swap, the car will still only be worth what an OBS is worth.
I did my swap for the experience. It was fun and interesting. Economically, I just pissed the money away though. |
07-05-2009, 01:59 PM | #12 |
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Yeah, you're right, - can't focus on the resale value, you'll drive yourself nuts. =) My FZR400 has a built 660 engine in it and an R1 dash, Fox shock, TZR250 rear wheel, etc, etc...but it's probably still only worth $3000 or so except to the very motorcycle-trained. It's not about the money, it's about getting EXACTLY what you want and the way you want it. And, like you said - it's a whole lot of fun. =)) And besides, I can afford it now.
Still trying to sort out this airbag issue. In the meantime, I've found this : http://www.ridesafely.com/inventory....D%26yearmax%3D Can't begin to tell what is wrong with it, though...missing intercooler makes me think theft recovery, but at least the interior's good...tough to say. |
07-05-2009, 02:07 PM | #13 |
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You can use the original airbags and controller. You'll just have to split it out of the 07 harness and use the OBS airbag harness. You will have to use the 07 steering column and ABS system if you want the DCCD to work. I was able to mate the 03 steering wheel to the 05 column. It wasn't trivial. Everything related to the ABS and airbags is incredibly expensive.
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07-05-2009, 02:16 PM | #14 |
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Hmmm...my plan was to use EVERYTHING STi. Basically, swapping everything, including ALL interior parts I can (carpet/seats/dash/doorcards and switches/center console with DCCD controller/etc), and most relevant in this discussion, the full STi wiring harness. The way I see it, the only thing I'd have to wire additionally (other than the aux lighting) is the rear wiper motor, and maybe the OBS's heated seats, if I can get them to work on the STi seats as per :
http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/f93/...heaters-16234/ But that's trivial, and I'll only know when I have the parts in hand. Essentially, if I want to retain all the STi stuff, could I not just get a new steering wheel (or maybe airbag, but a full steering wheel seems to actually go cheaper than the airbag itself) and slap it in? |
07-05-2009, 02:19 PM | #15 |
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Seeing those cars in those conditions, hurts.
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07-05-2009, 02:34 PM | #16 |
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Hey! I just realized this (duh) - happy belated 4th of July to you guys down South! =) Ours was three days ago. Although it was nice to have a break mid-week, it's even better if it falls on a weekend...=)
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07-05-2009, 02:36 PM | #17 |
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thats what im doing with my rs image the bare 01 rs shell on a 07 platform... everything will swap over to my car i just have to splice little stuff as im using the sti dash, front sub frame and rear subframe u know the full 9 yards... and im pretty sure thats what u want to do with 02 OBS which in yr case aswell u will have to wire yr bug eye head lights to the 07 harness unless u when with front end conversion if u happen to wanted to do that.... but theres tons of people that have done yr swap yr wanting to do just search it really but its all stright forward really.... take everything out of yr car lol and put everything from sti in god i wish it was that easy
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07-05-2009, 03:17 PM | #18 |
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Well, the driver's side and passenger side airbags are probably blown. So, at minimum, you'll have to buy airbags and and airbag controller. That's probably $3000 or so, you might need a clockspring too which is another $300 or so.
My goal was to go all STI too but, some of the STI parts from a front end wreck aren't usable. Subaru seems to have gone out of their way to make swaps like these difficult. For example, you'll need to use the 07 wiper motor but, you'll have to swap it into the OBS wiper hardware. I ended up mixing and matching. Keep the WRX parts I liked, like the interior, airbags and climate control while using all the STI parts that mattered. I swapped the entire wiring harness between the cars and the fuel tank. |
07-05-2009, 03:41 PM | #19 | |
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Millenium Auto sells the full kit for 1100$, I think. Still a lot of money.... So there's no way I could just get an 05-07 steering wheel (complete with air bag and, presumably, clock spring) and be on my merry way...? Or maybe a JDM one? |
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07-05-2009, 04:23 PM | #20 |
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You're right, it might not be. My wreck had less damage than that and they were blown so, I assumed.... The fact the windshield isn't cracked over the passenger airbag suggests you might be right. Maybe it's the more complicated bag arrangements with the seat sensor so, only the driver's side bag blew.
Still if any of the bags deploy, the airbag controller needs to be replaced it's $900 on my 05. The clock spring is in the column and is what delivers the charge to the driver's airbag to deploy it. Often they're damaged when the airbag deploys. The clock spring is part of the column, not the steering wheel. It's also where the YAW sensor is for the DCCD I believe. My 05 doesn't use a yaw sensor. I'm not trying to dissuade you. I had fun swapping. It cost more then expected though. In fact the PS tank was pushed into the ABS controller from the accident and made a dent. Well, that was right over the circuit board so, I had to spend another $900 on an ABS unit. |
07-05-2009, 04:42 PM | #21 |
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Hey Kwan,
OK, thanks for the replies. This is informative. I just found your two threads about this very issue; not a lot of replies, unfortunately! =) You know, with the cost of the rad, the airbag controller, airbag, plus a few other inevitable expenses, I'm almost at that magical 15000 where I can just say "screw it" and just get an outright car, and swap everything in the OBS. If that's what it takes to build the car I want...might be less hassle this way, I'm starting to think. No, not at all, and I understand. =) I appreciate the thoroughness and honesty. Sounds like you've pretty much done exactly what I want to do, so with your permission, I might hit you up with a PM or two as I go through this. |
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This is simular to what I did. I looked at www.IAAI.com it's an insurance auction, they are all over the US. If you have a friend or know anyone with a tow truck company they are all members. I bought an 05Sti back in 06, for 9900. and then swaped it all into an RS. As for the airbags I used http://www.myairbags.com/ it was like 100$ back then to reset the airbag system. I then bought a steering wheel off here for cheap. Overall the total cost of the project was about 13000, (05sti salvage, 98 RS shell, paint and other bits.) I think anything over 12500 would be too high personally. Just my thought though.
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07-06-2009, 09:46 AM | #24 |
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Nice, learn something every day.
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