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Old 07-29-2009, 10:03 PM   #1
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her 04 wrx wagon blew up yesterday, I would prefer to put an sti motor in it but Im open to options, If anyone can recomend where she could take it to or know of anyone with an engine that would be much apreciated as i will be in kansas for another 6 weeks
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:25 PM   #2
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goodspeed or fat
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:31 PM   #3
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what blew up in the motor?? are you looking for a FULL sti motor, or just a shortblock??
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:33 PM   #4
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subaru sells longblocks now too.
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:04 PM   #5
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what blew up in the motor?? are you looking for a FULL sti motor, or just a shortblock??
Right. Do you want to do a full swap? what are you trying to accomplish?

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong or there are new options available as it's been about 4 or 5 years since I had this info on hand.

Doing a 2.5 longblock is one option, It'll be stronger, but it won't be like "OMG this is so much faster". But then you'll probably want to activate the AVCS heads somehow, any US ECU that has AVCS also has "drive by wire" so it won't work with your WRX intake because it is "cable throttle". There are JDM ECUs that are cable throttle with AVCS, but they are expensive and hard to find.

There may be some other alternative by now, It's been a while since I looked into it. You don't need to activate the AVCS, the car will drive just fine, it just won't have that extra "oomph".

If you did that and you decided to upgrade the motor at some poine, your're gonna want a 6spd to go with your 2.5, because your car might have some mileage and a 2.5 with some upgrades will eventually turn that transmission into dust.

Then you're gonna have to hunt down all the parts for a 6spd swap, if you had a newer WRX then it would be a different story.

In the long run, it may be cheaper to do an full STI swap and sell the WRX stuff, that's if you think you might possibly upgrade the power. So keep that mind, as I have seen more than a few people go through transmissions like candy (including myself, granted I probably drive way more aggressive than your wife).

Recently I've heard that some people say that grinding out the transmission to fit the 2.5 clutch weakens it enough to make a difference.

There's a few other things involved,
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:32 PM   #6
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Im almost certain that I am going to do a full sti swap, as its only 4800 for a whole engine from millinium auto. now what was that about grinding something to make the clutch\tranny work together, i was under the assumption that a wrx flywheel and clutch will bolt right up to the sti motor and away I go, 300 horse of wrx tranny killing power. Also is there anyone out there that can give me an idea of what i will have to pay to have it swaped? Im not going to be home for at least 6 weeks and my wife needs a car.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:36 PM   #7
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oh yeah, it spun a rod, bad
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:44 PM   #8
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it wont bolt right up... BUT u can make it work... with a little work.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:53 PM   #9
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Is buying her a $500 or less junker to get around in for the next couple months until you get back an option?

If not, I support the FAT/Goodspeed recommendations. I'd give them a call to see what the best way to achieve your goal is.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:00 PM   #10
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Im almost certain that I am going to do a full sti swap, as its only 4800 for a whole engine from millinium auto. now what was that about grinding something to make the clutch\tranny work together, i was under the assumption that a wrx flywheel and clutch will bolt right up to the sti motor and away I go, 300 horse of wrx tranny killing power. Also is there anyone out there that can give me an idea of what i will have to pay to have it swaped? Im not going to be home for at least 6 weeks and my wife needs a car.
A WRX clutch barely holds 227 hp.

The chances of something breaking increase with an STI motor and a WRX clutch. Just keep in mind that you may be putting in another clutch sooner than later. Remember in an AWD car there isn't alot of give from the drive wheels, so the clutch and trans take most of the shock whenever you aren't driving very smoothly.

In the case of a 2wd car the wheels simply chirp a little and spin instead of absorbing all the load through the drivetrain.

You may possibly decide that you want an STI clutch after you get it all running, if you use a stock or close to stock WRX clutch, you may wanna search around and see what people are using, like I said it's been a while for me, I could be wrong, maybe 04's are better or maybe you all ready have a good aftermarket clutch.


Again, what do you want to do? Is the motor US? I would assume it's electronic throttle? You'll have to use the stock WRX intake and ECU at least on less you plan on having someone wire the throttle and AVCS if you want to run on an STI ecu. (or even swap splice the STI harness in)


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Is buying her a $500 or less junker to get around in for the next couple months until you get back an option?

If not, I support the FAT/Goodspeed recommendations. I'd give them a call to see what the best way to achieve your goal is.
Speaking of which I have a 93 impreza L AWD 5 spd I'm gonna be selling this weekend
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:33 PM   #11
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for 500? piks?
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:34 PM   #12
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for 500? piks?
$1500, looks like a 93 L with faded green paint.
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Old 08-01-2009, 05:27 PM   #13
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A new clutch was a given, now is the sti flywheel different from the wrx? I remember that the sti and wrx have a different clutch setup, one is push other pull, or someting like that.
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Old 08-01-2009, 05:31 PM   #14
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ill probably buy her a 1000 dollar or less junker to drive for awhile, as far as the engine goes im looking at a complete sti engine with harness and ecu and throttle pedal if applicable, were all sti motors drive by wire or did that start a little later?
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:56 PM   #15
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All US STI motors are DBW,

Also if you are going to keep the DBW and make it work it might be alot more work, as you can change the full bulkhead harness if you want, but you will run into other problems that you will need to change thing to make everything work,

You are better off useing the wrx intake manifold and leaving it drive by cable.

you can just run a better wrx clutch and it will hold the sti motor fine, You can run a 6 speed clutch/flywheel but that is when you will need to grind a little in the bell housing of the tranny
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also use millinium auto at your own risk,
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Old 08-02-2009, 03:39 AM   #17
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also use millinium auto at your own risk,

This is very true. Very shady people.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:09 AM   #18
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Wirelessly posted (LG Voyager: Mozilla/4.1 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ) 400x240 LGE VX10000)

Tried screwing me on a slave cylinder, but were cool enough to refund my money. They were advertising parts they didn't actually have.

Oh, and about the clutches:

All STi's are a pull style clutch. They have a different clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel than the WRX's

02-05 WRX's have a pull style clutch as well, but it is smaller than the STi and the flywheels are different.

06-07 WRX's have a push style clutch and require their own clutch setup and slave cylinder.

I don't know why, but my pull clutch never felt as positive as any pull stlye vehicle I've driven.
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Old 08-02-2009, 02:15 PM   #19
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This is very true. Very shady people.
Seems they are kinda like a Kingpin or Vivid Racing. Some have been lucky (irascible) with them, but they have screwed others over.

One good reason to deal locally.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:51 PM   #20
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uh, anybody have a line on a complete sti motor?
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I have one with 14k miles, just not 100% i wanna sell it
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what all is missing?
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:28 PM   #23
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its a complete motor, nothing missing, its the motor i pulled out of my sti when i put the built motor in
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what do you want for it?
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Like i said, i am not sure i wanna sell it, i will think about it
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