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Old 07-31-2009, 07:21 PM   #1
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:37 PM   #2
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looks like the center screen on the Skyline. The makers of Gran Turismo programmed the gauges in the Skyline, and this looks identical.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:49 PM   #3
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Not identical, but close in this example. The appearances can be completely altered by changing a few XML files. And you mean the GT-R; not the Skyline.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:56 PM   #4
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What program will this be part of? Are we talking car-pc or some other system? I've wanted to do this for a while, but I have too many projects right now. Looks good!
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:22 PM   #5
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Yes, for a car pc (umpc, netbooks, etc). It does not use OBDII data. It uses USB devices to interface with additional sensors, like normal 3rd-party gauges. Over 1000 sensors can be read by adding new interface devices. Appearances and behavior are modifiable, as are the screen templates.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:34 PM   #6
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^^^Which means this is compatible with any car, not just Subaru's?
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:45 PM   #7
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Yep. It completely divorced from the ECM, so OBDII, OBDI, old-school carbureted, etc., it doesn't matter. No reason it can't be used with boats, sandrails, or motorcycles too. If you can put a electrically compatible sensor on it, this will measure it.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:46 PM   #8
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Awesome!
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Not identical, but close in this example. The appearances can be completely altered by changing a few XML files. And you mean the GT-R; not the Skyline.
Now that I re-read my post it barely makes sense haha. Yes they look like hte GT-R ones, the new GT-R. BUT! What I was meaning is they look like the old (relatively) R-34 skyline center gauges. Which I like. A lot.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:05 PM   #10
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Very cool. I like the clarity/contrast of everything. I really like the peak-hold arrow. Good idea on the scrolling bar graph. I don't know if you already have it, but perhaps make a basic interface editor that allows a user to drag and drop the various boxes where they want.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:15 PM   #11
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Thanks. I'm also adding a low-hold arrow option. The push graphs is my personal fav; I really wanted to be able to glance down a see a brief trend. All the screen templates are XML based (as are most other things), and one of the next tasks is to build an user friendly template builder, as you are suggesting. Right now I'm constructing them by hand. I appreciate the constructive feedback.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:45 PM   #12
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You're welcome...thanks for listening

Is desiging it to accomodate a custom screen a possiblity? The reason I ask is because I think it would be cool to have a screen that fit into the standard 3-gauge pod that sits on top of the dash. One could fit 3, if not 4 of the medium rectangle guages in such a place, and maybe even a couple of the long/thin rectangles under those...all while keeping the headunit seperate.

I could see how the push graphs could be useful for finding random fluctuations while tuning. This seems pretty complicated, but I think it would be cool if each bar on the push graph represented a common data point that was linked with a tuning/logging program. For example, someone could click on a specfic bar on the guage (say if it was showing boost and there was a spike) and switch between viewing that specific point in a log and/or ECU map.

It could also work in reverse. Let's say a tuner wants to see what is going on at a particular time as it relates to some changes he made to the map. The tuner goes into the AFR map, and clicks a cell that represents a specific AFR target. When he clicks on that cell, he can then switch to the log and see what the recorded values were when the ECU was using the values at that specific spot on the map (and, of course, see what the guages were showing).
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Is desiging it to accomodate a custom screen a possiblity? The reason I ask is because I think it would be cool to have a screen that fit into the standard 3-gauge pod that sits on top of the dash. One could fit 3, if not 4 of the medium rectangle guages in such a place, and maybe even a couple of the long/thin rectangles under those...all while keeping the headunit seperate.

I could see how the push graphs could be useful for finding random fluctuations while tuning. This seems pretty complicated, but I think it would be cool if each bar on the push graph represented a common data point that was linked with a tuning/logging program. For example, someone could click on a specfic bar on the guage (say if it was showing boost and there was a spike) and switch between viewing that specific point in a log and/or ECU map.

It could also work in reverse. Let's say a tuner wants to see what is going on at a particular time as it relates to some changes he made to the map. The tuner goes into the AFR map, and clicks a cell that represents a specific AFR target. When he clicks on that cell, he can then switch to the log and see what the recorded values were when the ECU was using the values at that specific spot on the map (and, of course, see what the guages were showing).
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:52 PM   #14
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Awesome job! i'd like to do something like this in my next car.
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:10 AM   #15
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Looks good. Shesmoves has a good idea would be very useful. Especially when you are out of town and need to make some quick tweaks.

Sorry to get off subject, might have to make you build me a pc for my ride. I remember asking you about it a while back. I dont remember asking about sound quality. How is that compared to a regular deck? I run all my components through an amplifier, I went from a 4v to 6v preout and sound quality was greatly improved.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:25 AM   #16
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@shemoves: Depends what you mean by custom screen. It has to be a display that is compatible with standard computer hardware and software. The most commonly used form factor in the car PC arena is a 7” wide-screen. There are also some 6.5” 4:3 aspect ratio monitors out there for something a little smaller. Just last week a German company announced a 6.5” wide screen. That may be just about perfect for what you are thinking. Although it’s intended for the medical field, it also has a brightness that would make it work well in a car. They haven’t released much more info yet. It’s also possibly to piece together panels with compatible controllers, giving you greater options, but the cost can be high since most companies that make/sell the components are geared more towards volume customer.

Regarding the graph idea… I’ve been considering what you are suggesting, hence the delay in responding. The problem is the push graph is made for speed (low CPU and GPU usage). Once a segment is drawn, it has no back reference to the data that created it; I only intended it to be a display device. Even if you could click on a bar segment, the section you’d want would have probably scrolled out of bounds. The graph never stops drawing itself, even if the data stops changing. The user configures it to draw x times per second, and it will draw whatever value it last received… over and over. Additionally, I can’t see a clear way to merge the data from this with the data from an ECM log. There would have to be some kind of common key to match up records, but I don’t yet know what would be reliable enough. Of course, you could compare the log of the all the data that this solution gathers, just not sure out to mate it up with 3rd party data. But I’ll keep chewing on this idea.

@Wgnwheel: Thanks! When you get your new car and if you’re still interested let me know – I would appreciate some beta testers other than myself.

@Smoby: I can help you with that. The market shift towards UMPCs, Netbooks, etc. and HTPCs has lead to some technologies that find themselves right at home in car PC’s (e.g. less heat, less power consumption, better performance). And the new stuff costs a ton less than the hardware I’m running. Sound quality can be very good. I haven’t looking into it specifically in a while, but there used to be a Creative card that had 5v outputs. Unfortunately M-Audio stopped making their consumer gear. Still there are some good USB consumer grade audio interfaces out there, better pro/semi-pro interfaces, and some fantastic audiophile USB DACs.

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