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Old 09-22-2009, 03:37 AM   #1
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Default Remote car starter for manual running E85

Is it possible? We all know how it takes a bit to start on cold start for a car running E85, will a remote starter accommodate this process and ultimately start the vehicle? If so, what remote starters would you all recommend as well as reputable install shops?

I'm pretty sure compustar has mt compatible unit, but will it work on a mt car running e85?

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Old 09-22-2009, 03:39 AM   #2
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The old remote starter I had on my Type R will keep trying to start until it starts up. Only happens in the winter for some reason. It wasn't on E85 but if it takes a couple cranks before it starts then it might keep trying like my car.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:48 AM   #3
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The old remote starter I had on my Type R will keep trying to start until it starts up. Only happens in the winter for some reason. It wasn't on E85 but if it takes a couple cranks before it starts then it might keep trying like my car.
Promising, but what brand was your remote starter so as I can get some leads as to what starters are the more relentless of the bunch?

Will it constantly keep it engaged or turn stop then turn again?
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:51 AM   #4
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most of the new DEI stuff (viper ect) all have MT mode now
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:56 AM   #5
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most of the new DEI stuff (viper ect) all have MT mode now
Cool, but will they persistently keep the ignition engaged considering I'm running E85 untill it starts?

Also what spots would you recommend to install?
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:58 AM   #6
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run pump gas like a normal person=problem solved
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:00 AM   #7
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Cool, but will they persistently keep the ignition engaged considering I'm running E85 untill it starts?

Also what spots would you recommend to install?
i dunno, i believe there is options for crank time in the DEI units, all my alarm installs are done in NJ, i don't trust anyone doing mine, I will do it myself if needed
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:00 AM   #8
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run pump gas like a normal person=problem solved
True that
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:21 AM   #9
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run pump gas like a normal person=problem solved
Not interested in running piss in my car. Considering E85 is more than 60 cents cheaper than AZ piss, essentially impossible to get the car to knock, u get substantial hp gains, and I just drive locally anyways, why not? Plus its better for mother nature, lol. Anyways, if u have any constructive input on my actual inquiry it is more than welcomed.

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Old 09-22-2009, 04:26 AM   #10
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it was constructive input
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:37 AM   #11
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most of the new DEI stuff (viper ect) all have MT mode now
I was thinking about buying a shiload of these when they came out > http://cgi.ebay.com/DEI-PYTHON-991-2...d=p3286.c0.m14

Manual mode FTW!


What do ya think about a group buy Evil?
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:29 AM   #12
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run pump gas like a normal person=problem solved
I get mine from a pump. Where else would you get it?

run pump gas like a normal person= -30whp & -50wtq + detonation concerns + ~$0.50-0.60 a gallon + needing a complex and expensive meth system with failsafes that might not always work just to make power.




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Old 09-22-2009, 11:57 AM   #13
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I was thinking about buying a shiload of these when they came out > http://cgi.ebay.com/DEI-PYTHON-991-2...d=p3286.c0.m14

Manual mode FTW!


What do ya think about a group buy Evil?
I personally like the normal ones without the LCD, i am running the 2 way viper but the one without the LCD and paid like 120 for it new, I personally don't use the manual mode as you need to do some dumb little thing when getting out of the car, I put mine in auto mode and just hook up to the N wire in the ecu so it will not start in gear
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:59 AM   #14
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The remote start module on a viper alarm will engage the starter for about 7 seconds or so. If it fails to start, the alarm will try another start. If I remember correct you can set the crank time on the alarm (3,5,7,9 seconds), but once the car starts the remote start module will see the tach reading and disengage the stater.
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:01 PM   #15
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I get mine from a pump. Where else would you get it?

run pump gas like a normal person= -30whp & -50wtq + detonation concerns + ~$0.50-0.60 a gallon + needing a complex and expensive meth system with failsafes that might not always work just to make power.




To me pump gas is gas you can get from ANY pump at ANY station anywhere,
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I need to be getting one of these soon.

DEI makes them all from what I understand?

Jay, what version do you have? Do you have a link?
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I need to be getting one of these soon.

DEI makes them all from what I understand?

Jay, what version do you have? Do you have a link?
http://www.amazon.com/Viper-5701-Pink-security-R-Start/dp/B001TJ5JES/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1253633244&sr=8-9Ken, you know i rock the STI pink one,
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thats what i have,
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thats what i have,
Breastses!!!?


I had a viper unit years back in my spec v...guy forgot to hook it to N and it started in gear and drove itself across the parking lot into a curb.
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:22 AM   #21
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all dei and other remote start alarms have a diesel wait to start that basically like primes the vehicle.. im sure you could get that to work
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:33 AM   #22
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I have been thinking about doing one in my car also... would have to wire it myself since i dont trust people knowing the alarm setup, but my luck i would jack something up and it would start in gear ....

But like everyone else says most remote starts will retry and have a option to change cranking time
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:07 AM   #23
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Where are all the car audio peeps, I figured someone would've popped in here by now?

Well, there are a couple of ways of installing a remote start setup and there are a couple of different settings that can changed to adjust how the car starts.

For the most part, a remote start basically "hot wires" your car, connecting the wires that your ignition key cylinder does when you turn the key. Then it uses one of the inputs that are wired in to determine when the car is started.

The most common one is the RPM, the system will crank until the RPMs reach idle RPM. It cranks for a while if it doesn't start, I believe it's 10 seconds. If it doesn't start after that first crank session, it will wait so many seconds and try again. Supposedly the crank time could be changed with whats called "Bitwriter" which is a programmer for DEI alarms, in the same fashion that programmers for car ECUs work.

I've rarely ever met an installer that had one of these, because you would never really need it, only in rare cases where the settings that are manually adjustable can't accomodate.

Again, it will crank for a good while, stop then go again. Which is probably safer for your starter, because they can get hot really fast if you are cranking them for long periods of time.

You don't really need a "manual" remote start system, it's more of a liability thing, back in the day before manual systems, if a DEI seller installed an automatic remote start into a manual and something happened, the people could sue. But all the remote starts are manual compatible these days, so that's a moot point.

Realistically, the earliest DEI/Viper remote start will start your car if it's installed properly and there are no problems with it reading your tach signal. I've installed remote start systems on propane converted vehicles that had both gas and propane. In that case I wired it up to switch to gas on start then back to propane when running, but when I was testing it for thoroughness, it would start on the propane.

I've had the same viper remote start in my small blocked S-10 for 12 years, it will start it on a cold morning and it's carbureted with no choke (a choke normally closes off the carb intake to help it start cold), as long as there is a tach signal for it to know when it's started.

Granted, it takes a long while for it to start if I don't pump the gas first, but I could put a solenoid in so that the alarm pumps the gas before it starts.

If you wanna get real crazy, I mean REAL crazy (no not really). You could install a heater system to warm the e85 (maybe something similar to what diesels that run on veggie oil use) and once it reaches the warmed up temperature, you can use it to activate the "wait to start" wire that is meant for diesels for when the glow plugs are warm.



Even crazier, you could use a block heater, have the alarm activate the block heater and start the car once the block warm enough, of course you would have to plug your car in at night




Actually the bet thing to do would be, park the car down the street, facing towards your house.

Leave it in gear and remote start it, hook up an actuator to open your door, that way you could just "jump in" as it rolls by.
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:26 AM   #24
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I have a Clifford 70.5x and mine starts just fine. When it is cold it may take it a time or two but its not that bad.
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I have a Clifford 70.5x and mine starts just fine. When it is cold it may take it a time or two but its not that bad.
I heard E85 makes you auto start your car when it's in gear... Is this true?
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