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Old 12-05-2014, 01:37 AM   #1
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Anyone have any experience with the spoolinator kit?

Don't really wanna spend the money going rotated quite yet after a full motor build.
And dont really wanna go any bigger then my dom 1.5 for stock location for efficiency reasons. I.e dom 3/4 ,atp gtx 30/35r

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Old 12-22-2014, 10:17 AM   #2
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I'm currently looking into it myself as I'm pretty much full bolt-ons / headers and such but it seems to want a built motor for safety and I'm stock internals so I'm leaning towards just going for the 1.5XTR and just doing drop-in pistons. Can't comment for the spool and torque but the two options don't seem that drastically far apart (and probably oodles cheaper...)
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:39 PM   #3
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Really anything beyond a TBE & tune basic stage 2 on the GR's is starting to get risky. Injectors and beyond is where you're starting to push it partially because of power level, and partially because you're taking it out of the efficiency range of the VF48.

A Dom 1.5 on the stock internals can work but it's risky. Some say it depends on the tune but that's really pushing it and it's no less turbo than the 2 lower Spoolinator kits as a it's a GTX 3071R ball bearing turbo for quicker spool.

It costs 2 1/2 times as much as a Dom 1.5 and that's without the EWG or the supporting mods, never mind TMIC, piping etc.

Not to say Killer B doesn't make great products but for the money I don't know what kind of incremental gains you will get. And remember that turbos with wonderful spool and lots of low end punch tend to give lots of push at lower engine RPM's when the power cycle takes longer time and puts more strain on your rod bearings as opposed to something that works higher up. There's a happy medium but the more torque you push it lower down, the more you tax your bearings for longer.
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Old 01-07-2015, 04:54 PM   #4
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Running the GTX with a Tial you'll see gains over a bolt-on (dom, atp, etc.). Not only down low, but everywhere else as well.

Have been running this kit almost a year on the OEM block and not entirely comfortable with it, but it hasn't broke yet either. Already piecing together a 'build' for when the inevitable happens.

As most know, anything near or over the 400whp mark it's always a good idea to strengthen the engine.

Here's our most recent plot running the smaller GTX3067-R (not 3076) on pump fuel. It flows near 1.5XT-R, although the compressor maps Garrett has a VERY conservative for this turbo. I'd be very impressed if you found a 1.5XT-R that pushed this power (wide and tall) on pump fuel. It's not that the compressors can't do it, but the OEM style turbine housings are just limited in capability.



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It costs 2 1/2 times as much as a Dom 1.5 and that's without the EWG or the supporting mods, never mind TMIC, piping etc.
Close. One of the benefits of our kit is that it maintains 'OEM location', in that the compressor outlet is in the same location as OEM. We've run the OEM intercooler and not the ETS, but any FMIC that would work with an OEM setup would work too. It actually opens up MANY option for intercoolering. It also costs less than a dedicated rotated kit that requires you to also buy into a custom intercooler setup. Does it cost more than bolt-on? Absolutely, but it perform better too.

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There's a happy medium but the more torque you push it lower down, the more you tax your bearings for longer.
Agreed. Like I said above, I'm crossing my fingers for the time being and I don't have a ton of miles on this engine since installing the Spoolinator (around 10K miles). I do oil changes often with decent oil and it doesn't consume a drop... so far.

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Old 01-07-2015, 10:27 PM   #5
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Running the GTX with a Tial you'll see gains over a bolt-on (dom, atp, etc.). Not only down low, but everywhere else as well.

Have been running this kit almost a year on the OEM block and not entirely comfortable with it, but it hasn't broke yet either. Already piecing together a 'build' for when the inevitable happens.

As most know, anything near or over the 400whp mark it's always a good idea to strengthen the engine.

Here's our most recent plot running the smaller GTX3067-R (not 3076) on pump fuel. It flows near 1.5XT-R, although the compressor maps Garrett has a VERY conservative for this turbo. I'd be very impressed if you found a 1.5XT-R that pushed this power (wide and tall) on pump fuel. It's not that the compressors can't do it, but the OEM style turbine housings are just limited in capability.
That powerband looks amazing, how is the transient response? Was this all on the stock TMIC and stock clutch?
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Thanks! Regarding tip-in, below 3K RPMs it's very much like the stock VF, and above 3K RPMs it's definitely better; immediately into boost. I really need to get some vids of the setup showing this. It drives like a VF but with LOTS more power.
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Thanks! Regarding tip-in, below 3K RPMs it's very much like the stock VF, and above 3K RPMs it's definitely better; immediately into boost. I really need to get some vids of the setup showing this. It drives like a VF but with LOTS more power.
So this is on the 2012 STI stock block? Wow
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So this is on the 2012 STI stock block? Wow
Correct. JRtuned tuned the car. I told him to be gentle while pointing at the child seat in the back

I know its demise is inevitable, but so far oil consumption and UOA results have been good. Like I said before, started working on a build for when it does pop.
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Correct. JRtuned tuned the car. I told him to be gentle while pointing at the child seat in the back

I know its demise is inevitable, but so far oil consumption and UOA results have been good. Like I said before, started working on a build for when it does pop.
Hmmm...my main concern is my stock motor, but that powerband is just too tempting! It's good news and somewhat reassuring that your motor is still fine after 10k with it installed.
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Thanks! Regarding tip-in, below 3K RPMs it's very much like the stock VF, and above 3K RPMs it's definitely better; immediately into boost. I really need to get some vids of the setup showing this. It drives like a VF but with LOTS more power.
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Few clips put together. Sorry about the sun, but it should give you the jist...

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Been asked a couple time, but just to be clear, this is on PUMP 93.
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Which vehicles would this kit be a direct bolt on for?
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:52 AM   #14
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as long as it doesn't knock, I don't see why it wouldn't last a long time the way it is...
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