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Old 03-16-2010, 01:35 PM   #1
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Another sweet STi from the my favorite place on the west coast, Seattle! Not only does this 2007 STi look incredible it has the power to back it up!



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Dyno: Dyno Dynamics @ Pina Motorsports, WA
Tuner: Phil Grabow Element Tuning
Wheel HP: 624whp UNCORRECTED
Wheel TQ: 539wtq UNCORRECTED
Target Boost: 26? Psi (Fuel injector limited)
Target AFR: 11.5
Fuel: Q16/92 Octane pump gas mix with Hydramist
Ambient Temp: 50
Elevation: 0





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Year: 2007
Engine Management: Element Tuning Hydra EMS
Turbo: GT35R 1.06 Twin Scroll
Intercooler: APS DR750
Meth Kit: Hydramist 80/20 water/methanol
Injectors: DW 1000cc, Bosch 044 Fuel Pump
Engine: World One -- Element Tuning Rods, CP Pistons, +1mm valves, BC STG4 cams, stock block and bore.
Intake Manifold: Cosworth
Headers: ?
Uppipe: World One
Downpipe: World One
CBE: Invidia G200
Other: Element Tuning Competition Catch Can



What a beautiful car and it did not disappoint on the dyno. We were limited on both pump and race case so we just made a quick tune on pump and Hydramist making 506 whp before running out of fuel injectors.



We switched to a Q16/Pump/Hydramist fuel combinations allowing me to tune up to 624 whp before running out of fuel injector. When we switch to larger 1600cc fuel injectors we should be able to get another 30 whp on pump gas and probably another 60 whp on race fuel.

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Old 03-16-2010, 02:03 PM   #3
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That car looks absolutely evil, and backs it up with some sick dyno #s.
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Old 03-16-2010, 02:05 PM   #4
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The car looks sick! and it makes great peak power.

But it looks laggy compared to other TS setups that we have seen lately.

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Old 03-16-2010, 02:19 PM   #5
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great looking car with power to match!
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The car looks sick! and it makes great peak power.

But it looks laggy compared to other TS setups that we have seen lately.
Yeah this car is definitely special.

It did have more lag than the other cars I tuned with the same kit. This car has the Cosworth intake manifold and Brian Crower STG4 cams where the other car had a stock intake manifold and Cosworth cams. I believe the cam and intake manifold are what made the difference since almost everything else is the same as the other car I tuned.
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Old 03-16-2010, 02:31 PM   #7
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Yeah this car is definitely special.

It did have more lag than the other cars I tuned with the same kit. This car has the Cosworth intake manifold and Brian Crower STG4 cams where the other car had a stock intake manifold and Cosworth cams. I believe the cam and intake manifold are what made the difference since almost everything else is the same as the other car I tuned.
Who makes the TS kit?
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Old 03-16-2010, 02:34 PM   #8
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World One custom made it on the car. I'm also not sure what header this car has and what header the other car had.
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:37 PM   #9
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:48 PM   #10
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Car looks soo boss. Solid numbers too.
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Old 03-16-2010, 04:51 PM   #11
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Wow....sick car sick power to back it up
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:41 PM   #12
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I'm jealous of his paint job! My race car just takes such a beating that it would never be worth it.

I think the color is from Lamborghini but the shop that did the paint job there in Washington is top notch. They repaired my Zero Sports bumper after I took a short cut over an embankment and painted a few pieces on our car and it was top notch!
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we should be able to get another 30 psi on pump gas
wow....its gonna be up there with the 60 psi supras
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That is SICK. Post up some vids when you can. Want to hear it! lol
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wow....its gonna be up there with the 60 psi supras
i was gonna say the same thing

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Beautifully de-cluttered engine bay! Simple and extremely badass.
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Wheel TQ: 576wtq UNCORRECTED

just wondering where that number came from, the graph says 539

the most sick looking front end I have EVER seen!!

also its really making the 624 at only 26 psi? just because I made 597 uncorrected on a hta3582 w/ cams and head porting but that was as 28.5 psi, so do you think it might just be a difference in dynos? seems like similar motor, similar turbo that equivalent psi should make a more equivalent hp- just curious though

and what psi the other map? sorry if I overlooked it
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wow....its gonna be up there with the 60 psi supras
Oops, fixed that! +30 whp.
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Wheel TQ: 576wtq UNCORRECTED

just wondering where that number came from, the graph says 539

the most sick looking front end I have EVER seen!!

also its really making the 624 at only 26 psi? just because I made 597 uncorrected on a hta3582 w/ cams and head porting but that was as 28.5 psi, so do you think it might just be a difference in dynos? seems like similar motor, similar turbo that equivalent psi should make a more equivalent hp- just curious though

and what psi the other map? sorry if I overlooked it
Corrected that. Because of the new format for "Proven Power Bragging" I edit my older posts and then change the data and I just missed that from the other car I took the template from.

Dyno to dyno you can't really compare specifically but also just because your setup is "similar" does not make it the same (Do you have a Cosworth intake manifold, do you have a Hydra, is your header the same, do you have an Element Catch Can, did I tune your car, your HTA3582 is smaller than this turbocharger which has a 1.06 exhaust housing, do you have BC STG4 cams?). You just need to know how your setup stands compared to other similar setups on the same dyno.

The pump/water injection map was at 26 psi also. On the race gas map the boost level was limited due to the fuel injectors being too small but another car on this dyno with very, very similar mods made over 670 whp and this car at 30 psi looks like it should make about 650 whp.

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wow awesome numbers Phil! Does it have an HTA wheel on it? Or just a standard garrett turbo? Does it look like the stock mani cars are making more power?

Oh and btw, I wrote you an email!
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I am even more confused now, so the 92/meth tune was as 26psi or was the q16 tune at 26psi and what was the other tune at boost wise then??

Clearly our cars are not identical and you didn't tune my car but if (depending on answer to above) the 26psi tune netted 624whp that is still an aweful lot in comparision-I might only have an .82 hotside but it is also an HTA with all V-band flanges, they are not bc stg4 but they are gsc stg2 with Topspeed's match head porting for those specific cams, its not a hydra but an aem standalone, got me on the cosworth mani but does have a slightly ported/matched stock mani but anyway too many of those specifics can't get me over the fact that a VERY similar turbo, head package at 28.5psi makes 597 uncor and the other at 26 psi (assuming w/o answer to above question yet again) makes 624. All dynos are different of course which is why I originally asked what could be the reason- just dyno to dyno? how much timing do you have at peak hp or redline? Again just asking your opinion and not to get into a grudge matxch
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Corrected that. Because of the new format for "Proven Power Bragging" I edit my older posts and then change the data and I just missed that from the other car I took the template from.

Dyno to dyno you can't really compare specifically but also just because your setup is "similar" does not make it the same (Do you have a Cosworth intake manifold, do you have a Hydra, is your header the same, do you have an Element Catch Can, did I tune your car, your HTA3582 is smaller than this turbocharger which has a 1.06 exhaust housing, do you have BC STG4 cams?). You just need to know how your setup stands compared to other similar setups on the same dyno.

The pump/water injection map was at 26 psi also. On the race gas map the boost level was limited due to the fuel injectors being too small but another car on this dyno with very, very similar mods made over 670 whp and this car at 30 psi looks like it should make about 650 whp.

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You're comparing dyno's on the opposite side of the country bud, you should just let the trap speeds speak for themselves.
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I am even more confused now, so the 92/meth tune was as 26psi or was the q16 tune at 26psi and what was the other tune at boost wise then??

Clearly our cars are not identical and you didn't tune my car but if (depending on answer to above) the 26psi tune netted 624whp that is still an aweful lot in comparision-I might only have an .82 hotside but it is also an HTA with all V-band flanges, they are not bc stg4 but they are gsc stg2 with Topspeed's match head porting for those specific cams, its not a hydra but an aem standalone, got me on the cosworth mani but does have a slightly ported/matched stock mani but anyway too many of those specifics can't get me over the fact that a VERY similar turbo, head package at 28.5psi makes 597 uncor and the other at 26 psi (assuming w/o answer to above question yet again) makes 624. All dynos are different of course which is why I originally asked what could be the reason- just dyno to dyno? how much timing do you have at peak hp or redline? Again just asking your opinion and not to get into a grudge matxch
Don't worry I'm not taking your comments the wrong way. Both the race gas and the 92/Hydramist were at 26 psi. I would have gone higher on both if the injectors were not the limiting factory.

I don't think you realize how much more potential the car I tuned has compared to yours. The twin scroll 1.06 AR housing is much bigger than the .82 single scroll so I wouldn't consider them similar. It would be like comparing a .63 35R to a .82 35R which makes 50 whp more. I run an .82 single scroll so I'm not hating on your setup.

GSC STG2 cams (272/10.5 lift) have less lift and less duration than the BC ST4 cams (280/10.8 lift) which isn't a small difference.

Do you also have +1mm intake and exhaust valves?

It sounds like the difference between your setup and this setup at the same boost is about +50 whp. Given everything I listed that has higher potential than your parts all adds up. I mean we've see +30 whp on a straight 4" intake vs. a cold air 3.5" cold air (cold air making less).

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