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Old 09-25-2010, 05:34 PM   #1
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Default First serious paint cleaning...

So I've had my car for a while now and I've kept up with washing/waxing but I never did a full on serious paint cleaning. I've done some research and this is what my process will be:

1. Wash - Meguiars Gold Class
2. Claybar - Meguiars Smooth Surface Clay Kit
3. Wash again
4. Dry - Microfiber Waffle Weave towel
5. Buff - Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover on a Porter Cable 7424 orange pad
6. Polish - Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish on a Porter Cable 7424 grey pad
7. Polish - Klasse All-In-One Polish by hand
8. Sealant - Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze by hand

My questions:
1. am I missing something?
2. If I use the Pinnacle Polish (step 6) would I be wasting my time topping that with the Klasse AIO Polish (step 7)? If so, which would I be better off using?
3. If I use the Sealant would I still need to wax? My understanding is a sealant is an alternative to wax and lasts much longer.

Any input/suggestions/comments is appreciated.

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Old 09-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #2
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it doesnt hurt to use different products but id suggest sticking with the same brand product.
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Old 09-25-2010, 06:56 PM   #3
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That's a good selection of products, Meguiars 105/205 are a great choice as well and may not be as finicky to use(though pinnacle while I don't have a ton of experience with are relatively easy to use) and actually work a little faster because of the abrasive technology in them - they polish as a function of pressure and lubrication and don't diminish in size whereas pinnacle requires both polishes to be worked to exhaustion(of the lubricant) to ensure complete result with no hazing. Plus 105 and 205 leave amazing finishes. You will do great with your pinnacle if thats what you have.

Second, if you clay you really don't need to wash, only rinse, unless you run out of clay lube and are forced to mix a light solution of a little soap in some water for the lube. Otherwise a quick rinse and dry will absolutely suffice and save time, even claying the car when wet, then quick rinse and dry to save more time.

With your Klasse AIO - you can apply this with your PC and a polishing pad or a finishing pad as well to take really good advantage of the cleaning it provides.

- To answer your question if the finish left by your Advanced Swirl Remover leaves a little haze to clean up then the step 6 product would be the purpose of tightening up the gloss and removing any haziness. In reality Subaru paint is soft enough that as long as your KAIO stayed wet and allowed you to polish the surface for a couple passes, you could remove alot of the hazing and tight up the finish and save yourself a step. It really depends if you wanted to do the 2 steps separately and what you had time and energy for. KAIO would also clean up any polish lubricants left over from when you were correcting your finish.

Sealants are used by themselves(as are waxes) or UNDER your wax as additional protection- there are some mediocre products in both the wax and sealant category but in theory sealants should last longer but is not always the case.

That said, 2-3 layers of the Klasse sealant glaze will give you really nice durability and protection under the KAIO and you wouldnt need to wax unless you wanted to.
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Old 09-26-2010, 05:33 PM   #4
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Thank you so much AutoAesthetica!! That helps a lot and will certainly save me some time from doing re-work.

And as far as sticking to the same brand product, the reviews for the products I have chosen are (from what I've seen) above average on quality and ease of use. By mixing and matching I can find what I like and move on from there, but how can I know there's a better product if I only ever use one brand?
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:06 PM   #5
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....jmo, but I would skip the KAIO if you are prepping the paint already by polishing. I typically will just do a wipe-down with IPA or simply re-wash the car with something like Chemical Guys CWC to get rid of any left over carrier oils and/or polish residue. ....I especially re-wash if there is excessive dust (I just find it easier).

As for claying, you can save a step by simply wiping up as you go (when using the supplied quick detailer in the kit).

Something I would strongly suggest however would be to do a test section first (after claying). Pick (and/or tape off) a ~1'x1' area. You will want to test your polishes/pads here before committing to the entire vehicle. The point is to get this area to the level where you are satisfied with the results. You will then have a better idea of what the rest of the car will require and how long it may take to reach your goal.
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