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Old 05-29-2017, 03:08 PM   #1
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Im planning to come back to the brand after a 2 year break and am waiting for the new 2018 crosstrek. I just saw the new Buick wagon that is obviously designed to compete with subaru. Looks very close to an impreza 5 door hatch. It's awd standard and it will come with a 2.0 liter turbo charged engine. Why can't subaru incorporate a turbo on there xvs and imprezas? The buick puts out 250 at the wheels. Now ill have to look at both when they come out.
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:06 PM   #2
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GM's AWD is not a good system. Never has been, never likely it will be. Basically, consider it FWD plus a tiny tiny bit of traction in snow. Never heard about GM's 2.0 turbo engine, it's probably very new, and likely to not have the kinks worked out.

If you want a turbo crosstrek literally get a WRX and lift it. It'll be better than a factory Crosstrek turbo would be.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:17 PM   #3
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I want a hatchback. I figured that the awd wasn't as good as the subbies. But why can't we get a turbo? That would make the crosstrek and 5dr impreza one bad as under 25k awd. Plus a manual?
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:46 PM   #4
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Looks very close to an impreza 5 door hatch.
Nope. It's going to be bigger/longer (193.4") than the Outback (189.6")

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GM's AWD is not a good system. Never has been, never likely it will be. Basically, consider it FWD plus a tiny tiny bit of traction in snow. Never heard about GM's 2.0 turbo engine, it's probably very new, and likely to not have the kinks worked out.

If you want a turbo crosstrek literally get a WRX and lift it. It'll be better than a factory Crosstrek turbo would be.
Nope again. Their AWD has progressed to similar to the current Subaru AWD for their CVTs. Same kind of tech.

The 2L turbo has been in use since the late 90s, with the Solstice/Sky and used in the current ATS and Camaro. It's a VERY stout and reliable engine. That you've never heard of it means you are just simply uneducated, and you should research a *just* a little bit before vomiting on the keyboard.

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Old 05-29-2017, 06:49 PM   #5
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You can buy a 2008-14 WRX wagon. They're pretty good and reliable. Very easy to put different suspension on it.

Someone (marketing guy or something? don't recall) said turbo crosstreks wouldn't be profitable. I believe it because really the only people who want more power are a handful of people on forums like this. You could also just buy a regular crosstrek and put a turbo kit on it. They go pretty damn fast with it.

People complain about the power a lot, but really it's not a low powered car. It's just a lot of manufacturers are in a bro HP circlejerk where they want to impress braindead millennials whose parents will buy them whatever car they want. As far as cars that clearly aren't trying to compete in the HP e-peen race, it's pretty powerful. The manual is way faster than the CVT, it's even faster than many competing FWD sedans, and that's saying a lot because AWD is like knocking 10-15% of the power off of your car.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:50 PM   #6
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Nope. It's going to be bigger/longer than the Outback.

Nope again. Their AWD has progressed to similar to the current Subaru AWD for their CVTs. Same kind of tech.

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Uh no? I researched it after I posted. Haldex is ****. It's part time AWD. The only Haldex system I consider worthwhile is 4motion. Way more advanced than most of the rest.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:38 AM   #7
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I thought the vw alltrack looked interesting too.

170hp so not a lot more
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:25 AM   #8
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I thought the vw alltrack looked interesting too.

170hp so not a lot more
I like it other than the length. It's getting into outback lesbian hotdog look territory. The only full on wagon that long I would ever drive is an E63 AMG wagon because 600hp.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:30 PM   #10
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That's miles out of the price range of anyone looking to buy a subaru usually.
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That's miles out of the price range of anyone looking to buy a subaru usually.
It's cheaper than an E63 AMG.
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Yes but I was just saying that was the only hotdog lesbianwagon I would ever own.
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It's 4200+ lbs and 250 HP. It's not going to be that much faster than an Impreza at 3100 lbs and 148 HP. And with 1,000 lbs of extra weight it can't possibly handle as well as an Impreza.

Also, no manual transmission option. No thanks, Buick.
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:59 PM   #14
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Newer Buicks certainly aren't super boring like the old ones but they don't particularly stand out in any way either. Fairly good value though.
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What about the gls250s
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Old 05-31-2017, 12:14 PM   #16
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It gets 17/22 mpg and costs over $65,000. There is alot I can say about people who would buy such a car but none of it is polite, and I can't even imagine how it's in the same conversation as an Impreza.

Also it's an SUV, not a hatchback, so it's good for clogging lanes, not so good for driving efficiently.

Edit: also it weighs over 5,000 lbs. What a pig.

With regards to that VW alltrack, I have never seen that model before, and I would find it appealing if it weren't from VW. 6 speed manual, 1.8 liter turbo, only slightly worse MPG than an Impreza, and better color options. I actually like the look of the Impreza better, the VW is too smooth and boring, I like the Impreza funky angles. But again, it's from VW, so it would be a no-go for me.

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Old 05-31-2017, 12:58 PM   #17
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Golf R > WRX/STI. Handles power way better, if you're comparing it to the WRX (which is unfair because 15k difference but still) it handles better. The DSG is the best transmission on a non-exotic and if you're a MUH MANUAL bro it has that option. The haldex AWD isn't great but as I mentioned before it's probably the best haldex there is in the American market so it has that.

I just thought I'd throw another car in since we're getting further and further off track
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GM's AWD is not a good system. Never has been, never likely it will be. Basically, consider it FWD plus a tiny tiny bit of traction in snow. Never heard about GM's 2.0 turbo engine, it's probably very new, and likely to not have the kinks worked out.

If you want a turbo crosstrek literally get a WRX and lift it. It'll be better than a factory Crosstrek turbo would be.
Super uneducated generalization. Some of GM's vehicles enjoy very good AWD, particularly Cadillacs. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buick AWD was the same as Cadillac's.

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It's unfortunate that you think haldex = good AWD
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Correction on the merc. I meant gla 250.
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Correction on the merc. I meant gla 250.
Buying the GLA/CLA is a terrible idea. They're consistently badly reviewed by idiots who expect a $30k Mercedes to be the same as the $70k+ ones and people who just realize they're ****ty value alike.
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I'm curious about something, if it's not too off-topic.

Is there an efficiency loss with the viscous coupling of the Subaru AWD system? Am I right in thinking of the system as having similar efficiency losses as a fluid system like a traditional automatic transmission? Or is the viscous coupling more efficient than that? How efficient would it be compared to a direct linkage?
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You can buy a 2008-14 WRX wagon. They're pretty good and reliable.


That's why there were 3 of them in the back lot waiting for engines when I quit working for the last dealer, and 2 others had just been finished. For a shop that doesn't work on that many turbo cars,
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That's why there were 3 of them in the back lot waiting for engines when I quit working for the last dealer, and 2 others had just been finished. For a shop that doesn't work on that many turbo cars,
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That's why there were 3 of them in the back lot waiting for engines when I quit working for the last dealer, and 2 others had just been finished. For a shop that doesn't work on that many turbo cars,
My friend works on Subarus for a living and says the 08-14 are more reliable than even most other Subarus if you get a tune. The factory tune runs way too lean at times to meet emissions, and it ****s the engine. A conservative tune will give you more power and make the engine last way longer.


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I'm curious about something, if it's not too off-topic.

Is there an efficiency loss with the viscous coupling of the Subaru AWD system? Am I right in thinking of the system as having similar efficiency losses as a fluid system like a traditional automatic transmission? Or is the viscous coupling more efficient than that? How efficient would it be compared to a direct linkage?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the VC diff is pretty much a clutch at the basic level. If it's locked up, it's nearly 100% efficient other than the slight friction from the fluid. Same as any other clutch, but not fully locked would mean loss of power. If it was entirely disengaged, I think the differential itself wouldn't be taking any power again except for the slight friction from the fluid or parts that may still be turning at the front of the diff. But then the rear diff is dead weight and friction.
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