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Old 06-10-2011, 12:35 AM   #1
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CN: Some states want to ban kids who drop out of high school from getting a driver's license

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But after leaving school prematurely, drop outs usually went to work in low-end jobs, yet ones that provided money for new wheels – if someone were willing to devote the lion’s share of earnings to car payments.

Unfortunately, plenty of under-educated kids did and do that.

We might soon spot drop outs for a much different reason: as people without cars because potential laws bar them from getting a driver’s license. (For most motorists, but alas not some scofflaws, a driver’s license is a prerequisite for driving.)

Here is what looms in the legislative horizon. Lawmakers in some states want to link driving privileges to school attendance.

Proposed “no-driver’s-licenses-for-dropouts” laws are gaining public support. About 68% of drivers back such legislation, says national polling by PSCars.com, an automotive consumer website.

States with the most grass-roots support are Georgia, Texas, Massachusetts, New York and Michigan.

The least support comes from California, Illinois, Florida, Ohio and Washington DC.

The legislative proposals are well-intended, but risk coming across as nanny laws. Should government take on the role of the parent?
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:39 AM   #2
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Good. Don't give privileges to the decay of society.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:44 AM   #3
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Good. Don't give privileges to the decay of society.
And who are you to judge who's the "decay of society" and who's not? If the kid drops out of school to have a music career and makes more money than you and I will ever see, would you still call him/her the "decay of society?"

Most NASCAR drivers don't have a college degree and yet they can run circles around most rocket scientists.

This is more ridiculous grandstanding with a cause-correlation factor from some morons in office trying to build a name for themselves. If you read the article, funny how so-called "small government" states like Texas like it, while so called "big government" states like California are on the side of freedom.
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Kid drops out for a music carreer? NASCAR? You're talking about microscenarios. The majority of people who drop out are deadbeats. So yes I will judge the wasted tax dollars of want to be people. In the big picture of things drop outs are worthless. If they make more money than you or I then buy a FU****G driver.

California sucks. I know, I live here. We have more handouts per square foot. Taking privileges away will show them they need to WORK for what they have. Not have it handed to them in a government hand out.

Get F+*+ed hippie.
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:34 AM   #5
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Driving is a privilege not a right.
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:41 AM   #6
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^^ exactly! Friggin self entitlement is ridiculous these days.
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:42 AM   #7
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I think they should just make the driving test A LOT harder for EVERYONE. Drop out or not... We could all use less idiotic drivers on the road.

Apparently US driver's tests are quite easy.
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Is there any data to back up drop-outs being less competent at driving than anyone else? What the hell is the point of this? To discourage dropping out? Why do people care if someone drops out of high school?
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:04 AM   #10
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Umm your poll is silly.

It is true that some dropouts become very successful, but most do not. While it is true that quite a number of filthy rich people are drop outs that doesn't mean anything besides the fact that becoming filthy rich takes risks and people who drop out are happy to take them. Inheritors of money usually are not drop outs and usually have a college degree so there are plenty of filthy rich people with degrees as well.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:30 AM   #11
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Driving is a privilege not a right.
Amen. Its depressing that in today's society everything has become a "right" in the eyes of society, nothing is a privilege that one should work for or earn anymore.

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I think they should just make the driving test A LOT harder for EVERYONE. Drop out or not... We could all use less idiotic drivers on the road.

Apparently US driver's tests are quite easy.
I know the driving test here in California is retardedly easy, probably why there are so many retarded drivers here. They don't even make you parallel park in the test anymore. I vote they just add that back into the test, will significantly cut the number of idiots getting driver's licenses down to a few a year.

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Is there any data to back up drop-outs being less competent at driving than anyone else? What the hell is the point of this? To discourage dropping out? Why do people care if someone drops out of high school?
Think you are missing the point. It isn't about drop-outs not being any more or less competent motorists. I think the lawmakers are misinterpreting the intentions of the drop-outs, assuming they are quitting school and starting work for the sole purpose of buying cars, and they are using this as a way to deter that.

I'm on the wall here, because while I do think that kids have the right to decide if they want to finish high school or drop out and work at wal-mart or mcdonalds for the rest of their lives, I also believe that driving is a privilege and if the government wants to modify or change or add laws to requirements to be eligible for a license they have every right to. In the end I'd probably side with lawmakers on this issue, because its the government's choice of who is eligible to obtain a license to drive, so if these kids want the opportunity to obtain their license, they are going to have to play by the rules and see it through to the end as far as schooling goes.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:48 AM   #12
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I think they should just make the driving test A LOT harder for EVERYONE. Drop out or not... We could all use less idiotic drivers on the road.

Apparently US driver's tests are quite easy.
Agreed to both points. At that, they should charge like $500/$1000 per test. It costs a LOT more in most other countries to get a license.

I don't know if I agree with the graduate to get license tho. "The world needs ditch-diggers too!"

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Old 06-10-2011, 07:53 AM   #13
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Great idea. Drop out of school, now have fun getting a job that you CAN'T drive to.

This is stupid.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:57 AM   #14
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So... Public transit will be improved so that these people can still participate in the economy? Or do we expect them to just quietly decay in their parent's basements?
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I think there is a legitimate interest in society having a baseline level of education. Denying licenses to those that don't achieve this is a horrible idea.
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Old 06-10-2011, 08:28 AM   #16
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Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Being able to own and carry a gun, is a right, not a privilege.

California is bass-ackwards.
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Is there any data to back up drop-outs being less competent at driving than anyone else? What the hell is the point of this? To discourage dropping out? Why do people care if someone drops out of high school?
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Great idea. Drop out of school, now have fun getting a job that you CAN'T drive to.

This is stupid.
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I think there is a legitimate interest in society having a baseline level of education. Denying licenses to those that don't achieve this is a horrible idea.
I agree with the above.

Besides the economic argument that not having an education and not having ready transportation will make one even more unemployable, there's the pragmatic argument that there are already a hell of a lot of people with DWIs or undocumented immigrants who are driving around without licenses or insurance. Having a punitive law on the books won't make your car (or your neck) any more fixed after someone in violation of it rear ends you.
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Great idea. Drop out of school, now have fun getting a job that you CAN'T drive to.

This is stupid.
Such a hard solution to that problem...only one course of action really comes to mind....

Don't drop out
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:16 AM   #19
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I think they should just make the driving test A LOT harder for EVERYONE. Drop out or not... We could all use less idiotic drivers on the road.
agreed.
Make it harder AND more expensive for everyone to get, and hopefully they'll respect driving more.

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The most successful people I know don't have high school degrees.


I had to see if skywaffles was trolling again.
Dropping out, and making big money is a pipe dream at best nowadays. Maybe when our grandparents were young it was advisable to drop out, but nowadays if you don't have a high school diploma, you better be self motivated and hard working. No one will ever give you the time of day unless you prove to them you're not a bum.
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I think we need to have a passable public education system well before we start making it indispensable.
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Right, but unless everyone that drops out of school does so for the same reasons, something like this is stupid. And can you provide an undeniable link between graduating high school and being a better driver, or can you provide a link between drop outs being a higher risk for being a bad driver?

Lets say there's a rural farm family. Dad dies. Kid drops out of school to run the farm. Does he deserve to not get a license because his dad died and he has a duty to keep the family farm going?

This is just one simple example, but it proves that a law like this is exceedingly horrible.

So, in addition are they going to say "sorry, you did not go to a school that the state approves of, you don't get a license" easy way to say "You're not from our country, you don't get a license"

how do you verify that a person who immigrates legally didn't drop out of high school?

what happens when someone is 35 years old? Are they still going to be paying for a choice they made at 17, no matter how successful they became in life?

what happens if I get a license while in school, then drop out? does my license get revoked? do I immediately become a stupider person because I dropped out?

There are too many places where there would NEED to be exceptions from this rule.

This is by and far the stupidest legislation I have heard of in a very long time.

I am completely for stricter rules to get a drivers license, and stricter rules for people who break laws, but this just doesn't work.
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Get F+*+ed hippie.
Poor you, can't make a coherent point so you have to start derpin' it up.


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Right, but unless everyone that drops out of school does so for the same reasons, something like this is stupid. And can you provide an undeniable link between graduating high school and being a better driver, or can you provide a link between drop outs being a higher risk for being a bad driver?
I don't think there is any pretense of this being about making the roads safer. It's all about trying to keep kids in school. This is definitely government overreach in my opinion. The government shouldn't be in the business of trying to force it's citizens to make good decisions about their own lives. I also agree with E. Nick, make our schools better and college more affordable before you try to jam more kids into an already broken system.

I have no idea why people keep saying driving is a privilege not a right. Ok fantastic. Just because driving is a privilege doesn't mean the government can enact any ridiculous laws about it they want.
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^^ exactly! Friggin self entitlement is ridiculous these days.
Driving is not "self-entitlement", you asshat.

It's a right, not a privilege, no matter what the government says to people who prove themselves responsible behind the wheel. Until now, you cannot be denied the right to drive if you pass the test, pay your licensing/reg/insurance fees and don't do anything illegal.

In case you're too thick to realize, graduating from high school has nothing to do with how good a driver one is or if they can pass the test or not.

And I'm making it just well living in California. If you're going to bitch about life here, go move to another state. We won't miss you.
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Who's gonna drive the drop outs around in places where public transportation is scarce?
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