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Old 08-24-2011, 08:43 AM   #1
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More and more buyers picked a diesel in the first half of 2011 and the reasons behind this are clear. Not only do diesels




have better fuel economy but they are typically cleaner than the gasoline-powered equivalents and one doesn’t have those pesky (and expensive) batteries to worry about a few years down the road.

Most automakers build diesels although you wouldn’t know it by walking into a U.S. showroom. A total of 14 models from four automakers, Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Volkswagen, will be available for the 2012 model year. This includes the brand new Mercedes-Benz S350 BlueTec and the Volkswagen Passat TDI as well as recent entries such as the Mercedes-Benz E350 BlueTec.

With diesel sales on the uptick,



why are there still so few on the market? The answer is that building a diesel engine that meets stringent U.S. emissions standards is expensive and most car makers simply don’t bother because they aren’t convinced that diesels will sell in the U.S.

With diesel sales up 39%, the editors of The Diesel Driver are pleased to present the diesel passenger car lineup for 2012.

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A brand new Audi A3



is just over a year away so Audi is not making any major changes in the current A3 TDI. The 2011 Audi A3 TDI gets 30 mpg (7.8 l/100 km) in the city and 42 mpg (5.6 l/100 km) on the highway.

The Audi Q7, which gets 17 mpg (13.83 l/100 km) in the city and 25 mpg (9.4 l/100 km) on the highway, remains unchanged for 2012 as well.

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BMW has been leading the marketing charge in the U.S. for diesels (witness the company’s brilliant “Changes” Super Bowl

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Unfortunately, with the launch of the new F30 3er Series planned for next spring, production of the 335d, the car that The Diesel Driver’s readers picked as the 2011 Diesel Car of the Year, is ending and BMW of North America is not offering a diesel 3er with the launch of the next generation 3er.

This leaves the X5 xDrive35d, which gets 19 mpg (12.38 l/100 km) in town and 26 mpg (9.0 l/100 km) on the highway, as the automaker’s sole diesel offering in the U.S. for 2012 and it continues largely unchanged going into the 2012 model year.

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On the heels of having introduced the E350 BlueTec sedan last year, Mercedes is upping the ante and bringing the S350 BlueTec sedan to the States, with the reengineered 3.0-liter



V-6 engine from the ML350 BlueTec that produces 240 horsepower and 455 pound-feet of torque. The S350 BlueTec gets 20 mpg (11.76 l/100 km) in town and 31 mpg (7.58 l/100 km) on highways.

The ML350 BlueTec, with 18 mpg (13 l/100 km) in town and 25 mpg (9.4 l/100 km) on the highway, is all new as well.

The E350 BlueTec gets a new color LCD display in the dash as well as a more efficient seven-speed transmission that brings it to 24 mpg (9.8 l/100 km) in the city and 34 mpg (6.9 l/100 km) on the highway but otherwise is largely unchanged.

The GL350 BlueTec SUV and the R350 BlueTec crossover wagon go into 2012 unchanged.

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The big news at Volkswagen is the all-new Passat TDI that has an incredible 800-mile (1288 km) range with 43 mpg (5.47 l/100 km) on the

highway.



In town, the Passsat TDI gets 31 mpg (7.58 l/100 km).
The Beetle TDI is expected to arrive in the U.S. in the spring. Volkswagen says that the 2012 Beetle 2.0L TDI will be the most fuel-efficient Beetle ever and estimates it will get 40 mpg (5.8 l/100 km) on the highway and 29 mpg (8.1 l/100 km) in the city.

The Touareg TDI was all-new for 2011 and is largely unchanged. It gets 19 mpg (12.38 l/100 km) in the city and 28 mpg (8.4 l/100 km) on the highway.

Other Volkswagen diesels, including the Jetta TDI, the Golf TDI, and the Jetta SportWagen TDI, remain largely unchanged for 2012 and fuel economy for all three is 30 mpg city (7.84 l/100 km) and 42 mpg (5.6 l/100 km) highway.

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Old 08-24-2011, 10:46 AM   #2
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Pathetic amount of choices given the number of vehicles on the road in the USA.
Sure wish Honda or Toyota or GM or Ford would put an economy car diesel choice on the table.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:00 AM   #3
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Auto Mfgrs unsure what to do. Current but nonsensical laws pretty much demand electric cars. To maintain structural safety and reduce weight enough to meet future MPG #s will mean electric or electric/hybrid and a cost increase of more than $10k to make a car. They know current regs will be CHANGEed again.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:04 AM   #4
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Chevy Cruze soon. Jeep will be diesel soon I think.
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:50 PM   #5
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Chevy Cruze soon. Jeep will be diesel soon I think.
Looking forward to the Cruze diesel (if it actually happens)

I think Jeep already failed with a Liberty CRD diesel. IIRC, the transmission was more of the problem in that vehicle.

Honda promised an Accord diesel a while ago, but failed to deliver
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:01 PM   #6
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Looking forward to the Cruze diesel (if it actually happens)

I think Jeep already failed with a Liberty CRD diesel. IIRC, the transmission was more of the problem in that vehicle.

Honda promised an Accord diesel a while ago, but failed to deliver
That motor really wasn't horrible. I don't think dodge knows what they are doing with diesel. IMO

2011 F-250 went 182.xx MPH on driveline.
Not sure how safe I would feel going that fast in a superduty.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:19 AM   #7
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That motor really wasn't horrible. I don't think dodge knows what they are doing with diesel. IMO

2011 F-250 went 182.xx MPH on driveline.
Not sure how safe I would feel going that fast in a superduty.
But, fortunately, Fiat has a ton of Diesel expertise as they came up with some of earliest common rail turbo D engine designs. We'll have to wait and see if any of this tech makes it here in the US.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:56 AM   #8
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It's time to repeal the stupid protectinist FMVSS and let Euro diesel cars get sold here.
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:59 AM   #9
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Aren't Euro emissions stricter than U.S.?
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:03 AM   #10
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Looking forward to the Cruze diesel (if it actually happens)

I think Jeep already failed with a Liberty CRD diesel. IIRC, the transmission was more of the problem in that vehicle.

Honda promised an Accord diesel a while ago, but failed to deliver
I think it will happen. GM has a lot research and money on it. They do not want to called out on being behind the ball again.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:36 AM   #11
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I think it will happen. GM has a lot research and money on it. They do not want to called out on being behind the ball again.
alternately, maybe they'll reach for the "money is no object for MPG" crowd, and start the Cruze at $35,000. I hope GM uses some common sense. They can't hide behind a federal tax credit on a diesel car.

I think the gov't should consider offering those new car tax credits based on MPG, rather than whether or not the engine has an electric motor attached
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I think the gov't should consider offering those new car tax credits based on MPG, rather than whether or not the engine has an electric motor attached
There is a gas guzzler tax already. Suggestion of a Euro style graduated MPG or CO2 tax (let alone congestion charges scaled by the same) would cause all manner of people to cry "socialism" so it'll never fly.

With regard to Euro vs US emissions standards, I'm not really sure. Too many numbers and categories. http://delphi.com/pdf/emissions/Delp...-2011-2012.pdf
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:50 AM   #13
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they promised a US diesel?
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Mazda made some noise about putting a diesel in their 6 so it would get 40+ mpg highway but I haven't seen anything in the last 6 months about it.
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I have been driving an Audi A1 TDI around Ireland for the last month and it has completely changed how I feel about diesel cars. Took a trip from Dublin to Giants Causeway and averaged 4.1 l/100 km for the trip overall. Trying out a Passat TDI now. Would not mind seeing a few more diesel choices come to the states.

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fixed for ya.


I'd take a cummins in anything, anyday... as long as its in a ford truck with an allison trans
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I'd take a cummins in anything, anyday... as long as its in a ford truck with an allison trans
Consumer Allison transmissions are extremely overrated.
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I'd take a cummins in anything, anyday... as long as its in a ford truck with an allison trans
Maybe a 12v. I'll stick to a 6.7 or a 7.3. Ford was offered the cummins but turned it down. I wasn't sure if cummings was gonna come out with a smaller I4 or if dodge was going to try it themselves. I can't wait for someone to have a probelm like the prius, but the diesel runs away on the driver. :rofl:
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bring back 335d with 300hp diesel.
And needs to bring q5 diesel too
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needs more subaru legacy diesel
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We really need some cheap diesels. A Fiesta Diesel and MINI Diesel would be awesome.
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We really need some cheap diesels. A Fiesta Diesel and MINI Diesel would be awesome.
What is the price premium on a small I-4 diesel?
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What is the price premium on a small I-4 diesel?
It's probably a few thousand for a Ford and $6-$8 for a MINI.

But.. $3000 on top of a bare-bones Fiesta sedan would still be cheaper than the average Fiesta hatch on the lot. Knowing Ford, though.. they'd offer the diesel with the premium-spec hatch only and charge $26k for it.
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It's probably a few thousand for a Ford and $6-$8 for a MINI.

But.. $3000 on top of a bare-bones Fiesta sedan would still be cheaper than the average Fiesta hatch on the lot. Knowing Ford, though.. they'd offer the diesel with the premium-spec hatch only and charge $26k for it.
Definitely, Ford wouldn't offer a top tier engine on the base model. Eg. F150 Ecoboost, $750 option, add $3500 for the only trim that offers it .
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Dropping the 3.0L Bluetec V6 from the E-Class into the C-Class would make things interesting.
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