Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday July 20, 2018
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Reviews > Car Part Reviews

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-28-2011, 04:43 PM   #1
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default Batlground 1.5 Scroll Header/UpPipe review

I ordered BATLgroundís 1.5 scroll header/up pipe last week. I was first skeptical on the quality of the header based on the price. When I opened the box, I was very surprised in the quality of the header. The welds look great. It looks like something that they could charge twice as much for. Here is a pic of the manifold, and another pic next to my stock one after I got it off the car.




At this point I expected it to fit as good as it looks. I was not too surprised when it fit perfectly. It came close in a few areas, but nothing that made me worry.



My only issue is that it did not come with an o2 bung for the primary o2 sensor. The exhaust shop that made my exhaust welded a new bung in for $40. I also had to go to Radioshack to get a 1/2 watt, 2.2kOhm resistor, but that was $2, and I think it is not needed on all years.

I absolutely love how the car sounds now. It lost that boxer rumble, but still sounds different than other 4cyl cars. I have a Cobb AP, Cobb intake, Invedia downpipe, and an exhaust shop cut off my factory muffler and replaced it with a Magnaflow. Tuning is scheduled for Monday at BATLground. I canít wait to see how it does on the dyno, but the car feels faster. I will post a dyno chart after the tune.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 10-30-2011, 03:15 AM   #2
chameleon30038
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (8)
 
Member#: 275405
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Georgia
Default

Very nice looking piece ... what did you use the 1/2 watt, 2.2k ohm resistor for ?
chameleon30038 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2011, 11:41 AM   #3
abgusaf
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (23)
 
Member#: 143122
Join Date: Mar 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Norton MA
Vehicle:
07 WRB STi
in the werks

Default

for the money this looks like an excellent piece
abgusaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2011, 01:40 AM   #4
illmatic
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (38)
 
Member#: 3536
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: SD, OC
Vehicle:
2017 SWP BRZ PP, FXT
2002/2003 AW/PSM WRX

Default

Is this a full-race 1.5 scroll replica?
illmatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2011, 01:56 PM   #5
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chameleon30038 View Post
Very nice looking piece ... what did you use the 1/2 watt, 2.2k ohm resistor for ?
My CEL came on because I unplugged the EGT sensor. I think it is a legacy only issue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by illmatic View Post
Is this a full-race 1.5 scroll replica?
It is hard to say, It looks mostly the same.

Dyno today....
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2011, 10:19 AM   #6
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Sorry for the late dyno results. I was having issues getting the email Batlground sent me. Here is my results. 261awhp, also my legacy is automatic, so on a 5speed car, you should see higher results.

09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2011, 01:03 PM   #7
Batlground
Former Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 84451
Join Date: Apr 2005
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 09Legacy View Post
Sorry for the late dyno results. I was having issues getting the email Batlground sent me. Here is my results. 261awhp, also my legacy is automatic, so on a 5speed car, you should see higher results.

Thank you for choosing Batlground for the dyno tune. We were very happy with your final results. Please let us know if you need anything further.
Batlground is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 11:44 AM   #8
CTSparky
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 282204
Join Date: May 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Northeast CT
Vehicle:
2011 5 Door STi
Plasma Blue Pearl

Default

do you have a previous dyno tune?
Is there anyway to compare what the header did alone as a modification?
CTSparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 11:50 AM   #9
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

I can get you the before tuning dyno chart, but that was still with all the mods. I did everything at once, but did no before dyno's.
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 10:55 AM   #10
CTSparky
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 282204
Join Date: May 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Northeast CT
Vehicle:
2011 5 Door STi
Plasma Blue Pearl

Default

ah ok.. I've purchased one myself I'm going in for my tune on 12/3. I have an old tune that accounts for everything except this.

I was wondering on the gains just on this.
CTSparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 02:29 PM   #11
No Limit Motorsport
Former Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (46)
 
Member#: 131945
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Medford, NY
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
Gunmetal

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by illmatic View Post
Is this a full-race 1.5 scroll replica?
It absolutely is, and by replica you mean design and R&D stealing knockoff.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[B][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Red]Sales [/COLOR][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=Black][B][COLOR=Black]- Installs[/COLOR][/B] - [COLOR=Red]Tuning[/COLOR]
1139 Station Road Unit 8
Medford NY 11763

[COLOR=Red]Free shipping on orders over $150[/COLOR][/COLOR]

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
[/B]
No Limit Motorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 03:49 PM   #12
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport View Post
It absolutely is, and by replica you mean awesome in every way.
fixed, your welcome
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 03:51 PM   #13
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CTSparky View Post
ah ok.. I've purchased one myself I'm going in for my tune on 12/3. I have an old tune that accounts for everything except this.

I was wondering on the gains just on this.

I am curious what the gains on just the header will be.
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 06:45 PM   #14
No Limit Motorsport
Former Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (46)
 
Member#: 131945
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Medford, NY
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
Gunmetal

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 09Legacy View Post
fixed, your welcome
Sorry this part made me heated. The advertisement I got from the warehouse trying to sell me them literally ripped even there description off word for word, they just replaced every part that said "full race" with "insert chinese brand x"
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[B][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Red]Sales [/COLOR][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=Black][B][COLOR=Black]- Installs[/COLOR][/B] - [COLOR=Red]Tuning[/COLOR]
1139 Station Road Unit 8
Medford NY 11763

[COLOR=Red]Free shipping on orders over $150[/COLOR][/COLOR]

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
[/B]
No Limit Motorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 09:45 PM   #15
Tut4u2
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (65)
 
Member#: 40424
Join Date: Jul 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: NoVA
Vehicle:
05 STi

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport View Post
Sorry this part made me heated. The advertisement I got from the warehouse trying to sell me them literally ripped even there description off word for word, they just replaced every part that said "full race" with "insert chinese brand x"
Just to play devil's advocate...didn't you guys copy the design of the APS headers minus the flex joint in the middle?
Tut4u2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 10:30 PM   #16
vogun16
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (30)
 
Member#: 93206
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: somerville, MA
Vehicle:
02 WRX....
JDM V7/8/9 RA-R Rotated

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tut4u2 View Post
Just to play devil's advocate...didn't you guys copy the design of the APS headers minus the flex joint in the middle?
I think you are confusing NLM with another vendor, perhaps Fast motorsports?
vogun16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 10:33 AM   #17
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Hey guys, can we stay on topic? I am still excited of how my car sounds with this header.
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 10:58 AM   #18
vogun16
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (30)
 
Member#: 93206
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: somerville, MA
Vehicle:
02 WRX....
JDM V7/8/9 RA-R Rotated

Default

Can we get an audio clip?
vogun16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 10:58 AM   #19
vogun16
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (30)
 
Member#: 93206
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: somerville, MA
Vehicle:
02 WRX....
JDM V7/8/9 RA-R Rotated

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vogun16 View Post
Can we get an audio clip?
Where did you put the 02 sensor? Is it an issue if it is located at only one runner?
vogun16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 11:46 AM   #20
No Limit Motorsport
Former Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (46)
 
Member#: 131945
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Medford, NY
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
Gunmetal

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tut4u2 View Post
Just to play devil's advocate...didn't you guys copy the design of the APS headers minus the flex joint in the middle?
No I don't make any products (aside from our gold Tial BOV's).
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[B][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Red]Sales [/COLOR][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=Black][B][COLOR=Black]- Installs[/COLOR][/B] - [COLOR=Red]Tuning[/COLOR]
1139 Station Road Unit 8
Medford NY 11763

[COLOR=Red]Free shipping on orders over $150[/COLOR][/COLOR]

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
[/B]
No Limit Motorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 05:52 PM   #21
09Legacy
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 298953
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Macon, GA
Vehicle:
2009 Legacy 2.5GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vogun16 View Post
Can we get an audio clip?
I have to borrow a real camera from a friend. my blackberry does not take good audio.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vogun16 View Post
Where did you put the 02 sensor? Is it an issue if it is located at only one runner?
the shop put it into the downpipe after the turbo.
09Legacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2011, 12:11 PM   #22
CTSparky
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 282204
Join Date: May 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Northeast CT
Vehicle:
2011 5 Door STi
Plasma Blue Pearl

Default My review

Edit: 2/17/2012: To All: This was my first impression and dealing with this part. I encourage you to read further so that you get a full picture of my ordeal here. In retrospect I would not order this piece. Read the entire thread for the gory details.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 09Legacy View Post
I am curious what the gains on just the header will be.
I have yet to get tuned but I had the header put in yesterday and rather than start my own thread I thought it worthwhile to put my impressions here.

So yesterday while at work I had the shop I have my work done across the street put in the header/uppipe combo. This is the same shop that put in the O2 bung in for me before I had the header ceramic coated both inside and a high 2000 degree coating applied on the outside.

The shop told me that it took them 4 hours to do the work and that the factory heat shield no longer fit due to the loss of mounting points on the new uppipe. ( I later cut the heat shield and reinstalled it after taking off the parts that would clatter on it.)

I suspect that a shop very familiar with subaru's might put it on a bit faster. The recommended hour rate for the part was 3 hours.

The shop said that there was minor fitment issues with the header, but that they got the header to fit ok after some finagling. (I did not ask them the specifics of the fitment issue)

I have driven the car about 50 miles continuously since I've had the header installed.

On cold startup the car has a bit of a metallic rattle that goes away after 30 seconds of running. I haven't had my head under the hood when this happens and it gos away pretty fast. I also don't notice any persistent leak that I can tell.

From the cabin:
From inside the cabin I think the engine has actually gotten quieter. The engine still has a bit of a lop but I did lose the signature sound of the subaru. I'm assuming that the pulses being more spread out has led to a bit quieter car. At speed there is no noticeable drone. When accelerating I can hear a slight soft tapping type sound, and to be honest I have nothing to attribute it to other than I might be hearing the engine more clearly?

Still with the change in the sound my car does not sound like a honda as much as that there is no subbie burble.

From the exhaust:
I have a stock cat back exhaust and the note is not increased in volume. The pulsing is more spaced out and sounds the way I like it.

Performance:
The car has not been tuned yet to realize benefits but I have noticed some differences. It appears the car rolls into throttle a bit faster, and that progression into boost is possibly a bit smoother. I do not get that sudden surge of torque like I used to but the torque is still there, just realized a bit sooner and less sharply. I have also noticed that I've lost about 2-3 lbs of boost pressure under hard acceleration. I can only suppose that the wastegate duty cycle can be changed, and when I get tuned this weekend I'll also be putting in a EBCS to help control this. Also note that this is on my S# mode and in S mode i can hit my 16psi target (S 16/S# 20-21psi). I did think that I got to 21 in shifting going thru a gear, but in a single gear pull I did not realize the pressure. I noticed I failed to put back the vacuum lines in the front of the intercooler. I'll reply tomorrow when I've updated it.

overall I'm happy with the car and the performance. I'll try to get some videos posted up at some point so that people can hear it. I'll also post my pre and post dyno graphs of the product testing.

edit: I replaced the vacuum lines and I still have problems hitting the high boost. I'm going to see if I can get the shop to look at it today while I wait. Thanks KillerB for the advice...
edit2: read the entire thread. I have had some success and many problems form this product.

Last edited by CTSparky; 02-17-2012 at 11:09 AM. Reason: clarity
CTSparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2011, 07:57 PM   #23
YZ86
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (24)
 
Member#: 188705
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Detroit,MI & Windsor,Canada
Vehicle:
GD Widebody STI
Lexus Pearl White

Default

Looks great in my opinion. in for more info
YZ86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2011, 09:02 PM   #24
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

Tapping sound under acceleration is often a leak where one of the flanges meet the head. Also a reason you're not reaching boost.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


FA20 WRX Ultimate Oil Pickup, Now Available! Improving Pressure Consistency and AVCS Synchronization
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2011, 09:00 AM   #25
CTSparky
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 282204
Join Date: May 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Northeast CT
Vehicle:
2011 5 Door STi
Plasma Blue Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport View Post
Tapping sound under acceleration is often a leak where one of the flanges meet the head. Also a reason you're not reaching boost.
Thanks Killer B. I'll try to have them put the car up and look at it today. I'll tell them the symptoms.....

Worst case scenario is that when I get it to my tuning shop I'll have them put it up and look at it before the tune...
CTSparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BATLground Motorsports EL 1.5 scroll Header I love my wrx Car Part Reviews 22 03-28-2012 01:59 AM
Subaru Impreza WRX STI 1.5 Scroll Header & UpPipe Batlground Engine/Power/Exhaust 42 02-08-2012 04:30 PM
Full-Race 1.5 Scroll header/uppipe tested on Yimi Sport's 08 STi socalLGT Proven Power Bragging 272 10-28-2011 02:19 PM
Invidia 1.5 Scroll Header/Uppipe w. 44mm EWG Setup trex616 Engine/Power/Exhaust 39 04-14-2010 12:09 PM
Invidia 1.5 Scroll Header/Uppipe w. 44mm EWG Setup - $400 trex616 Engine/Power/Exhaust 38 11-16-2009 12:55 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2018 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.