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Old 03-07-2013, 09:06 PM   #3676
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The speedometer is accurate with new tires and the odometer is slow. When the tires are worn down the speedometer is fast and the odometer is accurate.
You really think so? I wouldn't think 7/32" of tread (10/32 when new down to 3/32 at wear bars) would cause THAT much of a difference.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:11 PM   #3677
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We are just anecdotes. What we get for mpg in our CVT's has no standing on the fact that the Impreza does not perform as advertised in mpg when compared to other vehicles that supposedly get the same mpg. So, this time I took *all* the new vehicles in Consumer
Reports that get the same mpg as the Impreza Sedan in their standardized test. That was 35 mpg and there are 13 of them. The first column is the make, the second the model, and the third the EPA highway mpg.

Make Model EPA Highway

Subaru Impreza sedan Premium 4-cyl CVT 36

Acura TL Base V6 29
Acura TSX 4-cyl 30
Audi A4 sedan Premium 4-cyl 29
Ford Mustang coupe Premium V6 MT 29
Dodge Avenger Mainstreet 4-cyl 31
Lexus ES 350 V6 31
Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring 4-cyl MT 28
Nissan Altima 3.5 SL V6 CVT 31
Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium 4-cyl CVT 32
Volkswagen CC Sport 4-cyl 31
Volvo C30 T5 1.0 5-cyl MT 28
Volvo S60 T5 5-cyl 30

Average: 29.92
Standard Deviation: 1.31
sigma (how far off the Impreza is): 4.64

See a pattern?

That means that if there were 500,000 other cars tested instead of just 13 the Impreza would still have a 50/50 chance of having the worst mpg.
I hate to quote my own post, but there are just some people here happy with their mpg because they don't get this...

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #3678
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You really think so? I wouldn't think 7/32" of tread (10/32 when new down to 3/32 at wear bars) would cause THAT much of a difference.
not 2.9%, but according to the miata tire calculator a tire with a .4" larger diameter (pretty much new vs old tire) is 1.8% difference wheel speed. so until someone is close to the wear bars on their tires we won't know if the sensor/calculations will account for that or not. I have 16K on the factory tires and I will probably change them to something different around 25k, i will check my odometer again because as of now there is no difference.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:20 PM   #3679
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You really think so? I wouldn't think 7/32" of tread (10/32 when new down to 3/32 at wear bars) would cause THAT much of a difference.
Do the math. Difference in radius is (25.07+2*10/32)/25.07 -1 = 2.5% slow.

(Oops I read the tire size wrong out in my dark garage...)

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:23 PM   #3680
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I hate to quote my own post, but there are just some people here happy with their mpg because they don't get this...
unless I'm missing something, Consumer reports tested the impreza and achieved 35mpg highway, and 27 overall.

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:23 PM   #3681
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Are you mad sir? How about if I give you a cookie?

Well, then that is consumers fault, as you buy a car for some various reasons and have to account that numbers on paper don't really mean much in the real world. If you buy a car just based on papers at the dealership, then thats you're own fault as you rely on paper more than real world tests, such as those conducted by car and driver, etc. If you are buying a car based on MPG, then you would certainly look for a car that is likely a hybrid, which also happens to be 2WD. Impreza's are AWD if you haven't noticed, so don't expect something great in the MPG department.

Coming in here and flaming on me, thats pretty funny kid.
Actually you look around for a list of vehicles that gives you exactly what you are looking for. Not everyone who wants decent MPG's automatically goes for hybrids. You clearly can't read or choose to just blindly spew your rubbish without addressing the issue at hand.

Just for reference I for one went through this forum and others alike before i even bought this car. Mainly because I honestly thought the advertised MPG's were complete BS. Now there of course were reports that supported my assumptions and others that leaned in the way of validating these claims.

I was in the market for fuel efficient AWD and had very very little options to choose from. Which is what kept me from buying a Subaru back in 2011, 2010, 2009. Seeing how there weren't that many options. I had already researched the partial AWD alternatives such as the AWD Matrix.. and even the SX4, Fusion, etc.. wasn't sold so I continued to wait until this car came out. Needless to say it involved more than just looking at dealer papers. But i'm sure you thought about that before you expelled your last neuron with that recent reply... carry on dude, you're still a tool..
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #3682
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unless I'm missing something, Consumer reports tested the impreza and achieved 35mpg highway, and 27 overall.

That's right, in an Impreza sedan with CVT. As you can see, the hatchback with CVT did a couple MPGs worse. Not sure why. Is the hatch heavier? Less aerodynamic?

EDIT: Oh wait, I see that the sedan had 16" wheels and the hatch had 17" wheels. That's probably a big part of the discrepancy.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:29 PM   #3683
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unless I'm missing something, Consumer reports tested the impreza and achieved 35mpg highway, and 27 overall.
Yes, you are still missing something. The Consumer Reports highway mpg test is not the same as the EPA highway mpg test. I would post the list again if I thought you were able to comprehend the fact that the average of all the other cars that Consumer Reports tested that got 35 mpg highway on their test were rated at only 30 +/- 2 mpg on the EPA highway test.

I know comparisons are a difficult concept for some, but for you and zeeper to continue to expose that you just don't get it would, I would think, eventually get embarrassing.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:32 PM   #3684
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Yes, you are still missing something. The Consumer Reports highway mpg test is not the same as the EPA highway mpg test. I would post the list again if I thought you were able to comprehend the fact that the average of all the other cars that Consumer Reports tested that got 35 mpg highway on their test were rated at only 30 +/- 2 mpg on the EPA highway test.

I know comparisons are a difficult concept for some, but for you and zeeper to continue to expose that you just don't get it would, I would think, eventually get embarrassing.
but your main complaint at this point is that the car doesn't beat the epa mileage, but it pretty much achieves it as per CR and their best buy recommendation.

http://www.fuelly.com/car/acura/tl/2012 ....hmm, real life doesn't seem to match CR. this is just one example, i don't feel like looking for more

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:33 PM   #3685
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Actually you look around for a list of vehicles that gives you exactly what you are looking for. Not everyone who wants decent MPG's automatically goes for hybrids. You clearly can't read or choose to just blindly spew your rubbish without addressing the issue at hand.

Just for reference I for one went through this forum and others alike before i even bought this car. Mainly because I honestly thought the advertised MPG's were complete BS. Now there of course were reports that supported my assumptions and others that leaned in the way of validating these claims.

I was in the market for fuel efficient AWD and had very very little options to choose from. Which is what kept me from buying a Subaru back in 2011, 2010, 2009. Seeing how there weren't that many options. I had already researched the partial AWD alternatives such as the AWD Matrix.. and even the SX4, Fusion, etc.. wasn't sold so I continued to wait until this car came out. Needless to say it involved more than just looking at dealer papers. But i'm sure you thought about that before you expelled your last neuron with that recent reply... carry on dude, you're still a tool..
Instead of flaming on someone, please go learn english. You're still a little kid, who needs to argue over something small, damn.
Obviously, its not a matter of going to a hybrid if you want MPG's, but that is an option if you are WANTING high MPG.

Good for you, yet you still bought the car knowing that these numbers were somewhat BS? thats actually pretty funny.

Why weren't you sold on the AWD Matrix or AWD Fusion? What led you to a subaru if you heard such bad things?

Well for one.. Subarus ARE FULLTIME AWD, unlike most competitors if you don't have reading comprehension.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:36 PM   #3686
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Well for one.. Subarus ARE FULLTIME AWD, unlike most competitors if you don't have reading comprehension.
didn't you hear, that is taken into account for the testing procedures, and therefore a heavier vehicle with full time AWD should be able to beat it's EPA estimates as other non AWD cars can seem too.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:38 PM   #3687
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but your main complaint at this point is that the car doesn't beat the epa mileage, but it pretty much achieves it as per CR and their best buy recommendation.
Man, are you stoopid or what? Go back to 3rd grade math.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:38 PM   #3688
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......if fuel economy was a major factor in this cars purchase....
Many people DO use Fuel economy as the major factor. Ask those tens of thousands of hyundai and kia owners. Hyndai got caught, however, they made the sales over the competitors, Hyndai wins.
The EPA even made mods to the estimates to closer simulate real world conditions.

The point is, car companies are using EPA estimates to sell cars, instead of reporting true values. It's looking like Subaru did the same with the Impreza.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:38 PM   #3689
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didn't you hear, that is taken into account for the testing procedures, and therefore a heavier vehicle with full time AWD should be able to beat it's EPA estimates as other non AWD cars can seem too.
Enlighten me as to who in this thread is asking this car to BEAT it's estimates or merely come close to them..

go on...
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:38 PM   #3690
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I’ve had my car for about 13 months and have 20,300+ miles with a combined mpg of 27.9 (2.1 mpg below the 30 that’s on the sticker). This doesn’t bother me that much because it’s not that far off and I knew this car wasn’t going to get combined 30 mpg anyway.

My car prior to this was a 2009 Honda Civic EX with 25/36/29 EPA estimates on the sticker. A FWD, 1.8 liter I4, 16” tires, 2,700 lbs car. It achieved those numbers right on target. The Impreza has three differentials, slightly larger 2.0 liter boxer, 17” tires and is 300 lbs heavier with 27/36/30 mpg on the sticker. You see something wrong with this picture?

I even told my salesman that the EPA estimates on this car were bullsh^t. No way was an Impreza getting better city and combined mileage than a Civic. Obviously, this didn’t stop me from buying the car but outside of the inflated EPA numbers, I love the car. The only reason I bought the Civic over Impreza in 2008 was because of the EJ engine’s crappy gas mileage. The new FB engine “claimed” 36% better fuel economy is what swayed me. Although it’s not 36% better, I’d say more like 25%.

Get your alignments checked. It's no charge at a dealership. I found out my car was out of alignment last weekend after I had new tires put on. I didn't have pulling or an off-centered steering wheel but my tires were wearing on the inside. Bad alignments increase rolling resistance.
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didn't you hear, that is taken into account for the testing procedures, and therefore a heavier vehicle with full time AWD should be able to beat it's EPA estimates as other non AWD cars can seem too.
Point is though, MPG will still be lower than competitors due to being a full AWD car.

For example, A Honda CR-V will most likely get better MPG mainly due to the fact that it utilizes a FWD system until it detects slippage. Once it does detect slippage, AWD is enabled.
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Enlighten me as to who in this thread is asking this car to BEAT it's estimates or merely come close to them..

go on...
Aren't you and spdrcr5?

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Point is though, MPG will still be lower than competitors due to being a full AWD car.

For example, A Honda CR-V will most likely get better MPG mainly due to the fact that it utilizes a FWD system until it detects slippage. Once it does detect slippage, AWD is enabled.
i was being sarcastic using stevehnm's main argument.
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Enlighten me as to who in this thread is asking this car to BEAT it's estimates or merely come close to them..

go on...

everyone who is complaining. I am not one of them so i have lost track
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Instead of flaming on someone, please go learn english. You're still a little kid, who needs to argue over something small, damn.
Obviously, its not a matter of going to a hybrid if you want MPG's, but that is an option if you are WANTING high MPG.

Good for you, yet you still bought the car knowing that these numbers were somewhat BS? thats actually pretty funny.

Why weren't you sold on the AWD Matrix or AWD Fusion? What led you to a subaru if you heard such bad things?

Well for one.. Subarus ARE FULLTIME AWD, unlike most competitors if you don't have reading comprehension.
I bought the car taking a risk on the MPG numbers, as stated much much earlier I am fine with averaging 26 mpgs. They could be better but I'm not going to kill myself over them.

The main reason I went with Subaru was because I wanted full time AWD and with projected MPG's and at the price I got this car for I figured it was a steal. I KNOW this car is full time AWD. Also the Fusion was only an option because it was the cheapest of the other 4. I didn't trust Suzuki's quality ad the Matrix was not a very comfortable test drive. Plain and simple. You coming on here and belittling people with the poorest of all points to be made is just mind numbing

All you have continued to say here is "This car is fulltime AWD you should expect horrible mpg numbers".. So no matter how many advancements in technology are made in the auto industry I am to always assume a full time AWD car will yield horrible fuel efficiency? That makes absolutely no sense..

Mind you.. folks here are not asking for HIGH mpgs. I think those with issues in regards to the impreza want mpg's just above 25/26... not even the advertised 36.. not 40.. not 50... why is that so hard for some of you to actually wrap your heads around?
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Point is though, MPG will still be lower than competitors due to being a full AWD car.
Yep, and look at the EPA ratings. AWD's are lower than their 2WD equivalent:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ws/index.shtml#vehicle

Which means it is compensated for.
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everyone who is complaining. I am not one of them so i have lost track
I swear to you most are miffed about mpg's somewhere in the 22-25 range and simply want them a bit closer to 30 on average not even absolutely 30 just close to it.. how is that asking for figures excede estimates?
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I swear to you, (?) most are miffed about mpg's somewhere in the 22-25 range and simply want them a bit closer to 30 on average not even absolutely 30 just close to it.. how is that asking for figures excede estimates?
huh? maybe you missed some punctuation because that statement doesn't make sense.

i am averaging 27-28mpg now, and when good gas and warmer temps come back i should back up to 30-31 with my normal driving/commute
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Aren't you and spdrcr5?

Jesus christ you can't read at all. I have never demanded that this car BEAT it's estimates.. Where are you getting this from? Making it up on your own I suppose...
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huh?

i am averaging 27-28mpg now, and when good gas and warmer temps come back i should back up to 30-31 with my normal driving/commute
That is you... y.o.u.

It clearly does not make up the experience detailed by those who have issues with their numbers in this thread... Or are you choosing to disregard those individuals?
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