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Old 10-22-2012, 02:53 PM   #10601
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Nowadays what people think is HDR is really just cranking up the contrast, which is kind of the exact opposite of what HDR actually is, lol.
Or the Clarity slider...
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:57 PM   #10602
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exactly HDR is only meant to bring in the data between mulitple photos into 1, which essentially brings in the really darks and the really brights. Pics are kind of like MP3's most camera capture the bulk of a picture but they lose the detail of the really brights vs really darks. Most times you only need 2 photos to bring in the range of a picture. Most people use 3, one perfect exposed, 1 brighter to bring in darks, 1 darker to bring in the brights and then mix them together.

The tone mapping kills these so called HDR images, I use HDR quite a bit but I blend them in photoshop instead of having a really expensive, crappy software do it for me.

for car photos you really should never need to take multiple exposures. If you have the proper lighting on the car you should be able to capture sky/car/background very easily.

also you people need to bring you polarizers with these cheap filters cut down on the glare on the paint.

anyways back to the good photos
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:23 PM   #10603
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for car photos you really should never need to take multiple exposures. If you have the proper lighting on the car you should be able to capture sky/car/background very easily.

also you people need to bring you polarizers with these cheap filters cut down on the glare on the paint.

anyways back to the good photos
I think there are some cases where multiple exposures for dynamic range do make sense for car photos, but not all of them. And they do need to be blended properly in order to look good. Usually a good blended photo will just look like a normal photo, unless you really think about it.

I agree on the polarizer. They can make things look a lot "cleaner" by cutting down on the reflections. I know that rsutton uses one on his shots, as do many others I'm sure. Here are a couple of mine from a few pages back that I used multiple polarizations blended together (kind of like HDR, but for polarizers ).



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Old 10-22-2012, 03:28 PM   #10604
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I agree on the polarizer. They can make things look a lot "cleaner" by cutting down on the reflections. I know that rsutton uses one on his shots, as do many others I'm sure.
Yep. All of my lenses have a circular polarizer. I don't do the multiple exposure thing on the polarizers very often though. I just tend to adjust it for the windshield first unless I am trying to get rid of something specific (typically blacks that look gray if reflections get ahold of them).

The easy button for getting the sky and car in the same exposure without having to do multiple exposures in hard light is the ND filter. That is how I got this shot at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. ND filter with a CP filter stacked.


On The Move by rsutton198 | oneninty8.com, on Flickr

For this one...I just wanted to make sure the windshield was taken care of.


Gloomy Drive by rsutton198 | oneninty8.com, on Flickr

CP filter on back windshield.


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I have other examples as well...but those are ones that are of my car and on topic for the thread.

Edit...why the hell not? This thread goes off topic enough...

On this one...the ND and CP were used together with the CP taking care of the side of the car. I used one of my less aggressive ND filters which is why the clouds look really white. It was done on purpose for more separation of the car from the background.


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Old 10-22-2012, 03:38 PM   #10605
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Yep. All of my lenses have a circular polarizer. I don't do the multiple exposure thing on the polarizers very often though. I just tend to adjust it for the windshield first unless I am trying to get rid of something specific (typically blacks that look gray if reflections get ahold of them).

The easy button for getting the sky and car in the same exposure without having to do multiple exposures in hard light is the ND filter. That is how I got this shot at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. ND filter with a CP filter stacked.

For this one...I just wanted to make sure the windshield was taken care of.

I have other examples as well...but those are ones that are of my car and on topic for the thread.

Edit...why the hell not? This thread goes off topic enough...

On this one...the ND and CP were used together with the CP taking care of the side of the car. I used one of my less aggressive ND filters which is why the clouds look really white. It was done on purpose for more separation of the car from the background.
I like to use multiple polarizations on the 3/4 shots. To get rid of reflections on the front and side of the car.

How do you figure that a ND filter make the exposure of the sky any closer to that of the car? A normal ND filter just makes everything darker, nothing else. So you can use a larger aperture or a lower shutter speed. It doesn't do anything to make the sky stand out or be less blown out.

I think that the first rig shot has the sun at your back. Hence the blue sky and car being at the same exposure as the sky. The third one is more cloudy and the sun is at an angle to you, so the sky looks a bit blown out.

A graduated ND filter will do what you're describing (make the sky darker and the foreground lighter).
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:41 PM   #10606
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I like to use multiple polarizations on the 3/4 shots. To get rid of reflections on the front and side of the car.

How do you figure that a ND filter make the exposure of the sky any closer to that of the car? A normal ND filter just makes everything darker, nothing else. So you can use a larger aperture or a lower shutter speed. It doesn't do anything to make the sky stand out or be less blown out.

I think that the first rig shot has the sun at your back. Hence the blue sky and car being at the same exposure as the sky. The third one is more cloudy and the sun is at an angle to you, so the sky looks a bit blown out.

A graduated ND filter will do what you're describing (make the sky darker and the foreground lighter).
Correct on both accounts. The ND filter does allow for you to get correct exposure by being able to work within normal limits with the camera. Without it...skies tend to be blown out due to shutter speed and other factors. The rig shots would not even had been possible without one due to exposure time, but using them in the brightest time of the day allows for more control over exposure. It makes recovering highlights and shadows possible where without one...it might not have been possible.

The graduated allows for adjustment just like the CP does.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:45 PM   #10607
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I see what you're saying about getting the slow shutter speeds for the rig shots, but I still don't understand/agree that a normal ND filter does anything for getting the sky to match the car. The only time it would help is if the shutter speed was maxed out and the ISO and aperture were at their minimum and it was still over exposed. But even in that case it doesn't do anything to change the relative exposure between the car and the sky.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:49 PM   #10608
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I see what you're saying about getting the slow shutter speeds for the rig shots, but I still don't understand/agree that a normal ND filter does anything for getting the sky to match the car. The only time it would help is if the shutter speed was maxed out and the ISO and aperture were at their minimum and it was still over exposed. But even in that case it doesn't do anything to change the relative exposure between the car and the sky.
Because maxed out shutter speed is rarely where I want to be for image clarity. It is easier to recover shadows around the car than a bright white sky with no detail...especially if you want any depth of field. It is all about getting it to work for the final result I am looking for.

Edited to add: The even easier fix is to shoot at ideal times of the day. Sometimes that just isn't an option though...
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:08 PM   #10609
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Because maxed out shutter speed is rarely where I want to be for image clarity. It is easier to recover shadows around the car than a bright white sky with no detail...especially if you want any depth of field. It is all about getting it to work for the final result I am looking for.

Edited to add: The even easier fix is to shoot at ideal times of the day. Sometimes that just isn't an option though...
OK, that makes sense, but how often does that actually happen? Or are you mainly referring to the constrained conditions of a low shutter speed rig shot? Under static conditions I cannot ever remember a time that I maxed out my shutter speed (other than trying to take a photo directly at the sun, lol).

What I'm getting out of this is that you're saying, "Properly expose the sky (a ND can be used to help do this), and then recover the dark sections in post processing." Not necessarily that the ND filter is doing magic, but in some cases it would be necessary.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:31 PM   #10610
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the nd allows a better control of the shutter/aperture. Thats how he gets the motion in the shot. During the peak of the sun without the ND the CPL would not be enough to slow the shutter down.

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Old 10-22-2012, 04:34 PM   #10611
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OK, that makes sense, but how often does that actually happen? Or are you mainly referring to the constrained conditions of a low shutter speed rig shot? Under static conditions I cannot ever remember a time that I maxed out my shutter speed (other than trying to take a photo directly at the sun, lol).

What I'm getting out of this is that you're saying, "Properly expose the sky (a ND can be used to help do this), and then recover the dark sections in post processing." Not necessarily that the ND filter is doing magic, but in some cases it would be necessary.
Exactly (I am doing a terrible job of explaining)

I am rarely in a position where I want everything in focus or shutter speed isn't important. The only time I run into that is with landscapes and you should be dealing only in ideal hours in those situations IMO (although the ND is used in water/long exposures sometimes even then).

To get control back of the frame where I am working the lighting instead of the lighting working me...the ND filter allows me to get back in control of depth of field and shutter speed without one aspect (usually the sky) getting completely blown to hell in the process.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:48 PM   #10612
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Hey photography experts!... Include more photos

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It seems I need to invest more in photography equipment.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:53 PM   #10613
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:57 PM   #10614
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Ive seen those pics. I kindly meant include more visuals for understanding
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:01 PM   #10615
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^agreed.

I feel worthless now.



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Old 10-22-2012, 06:07 PM   #10616
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I still really like those wheels. If they weighed 5 lbs less I'd have them.
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:26 PM   #10617
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Ive seen those pics. I kindly meant include more visuals for understanding
It's all good. I was trying not to hijack the picture thread more than I already had. We talk about this kind of stuff on the photography based threads.
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I'm done too. Sorry for the disruption.
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:35 PM   #10619
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I'm done too. Sorry for the disruption.
It's okay, you've redeemed yourself by complimenting my wheels
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:53 PM   #10620
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Decided to change things up a bit. Lost the decals over the headlights, picked up some fogs, a custom grill, and switched over from g forces to rpf1's. Pretty happy with the results



Excuse the crappy pics...
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better pics?
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:22 PM   #10623
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pictures mostly by Michal and some by Wrx_FoSho


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Decided to change things up a bit. Lost the decals over the headlights, picked up some fogs, a custom grill, and switched over from g forces to rpf1's. Pretty happy with the results

Excuse the crappy pics...
now lower it.

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