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Old 08-18-2012, 06:25 PM   #1
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:10 PM   #2
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38 view no suggestions. Man u guys love me huh lol
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:20 PM   #3
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Rotate your turbo if you're getting serious.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:08 PM   #4
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What the hell does this have to do with a built motor?
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:58 PM   #5
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No need to rotate or go ext wg, or go bigger than 60lb turbo. Then I need a bigger fmic, ext wg, 2200cc inj, etc.

Lbell05sti, I am finishing up a motor build. The block is built for 1000-1200hp, minds well up the turbo size. Where should I post the turbo thread? Oh wait there isn't one?
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:02 PM   #6
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No need to rotate or go ext wg, or go bigger than 60lb turbo. Then I need a bigger fmic, ext wg, 2200cc inj, etc
Why are you so obsessed with stock location turbos? You want everyone to think you are a serious drag racer but you are hung up on stock location turbos? Doesn't make much sense to me. Also I said nothing about EWG
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:48 AM   #7
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What makes me a serious drag racing are my record setting times on small turbos not the location of my turbo. What makes a rotated setup so superior? Can you prove that a rotated 35r puts down more power on pump gas vs me running a 2.5xtr on ethanol or a 3.0...etc

I also proved that my 5sp ppg gear ratio is superior to any stock sti 6sp ratio except in strength. That is what the regulars claim....the whole 5 guys in the usa that have broken ppg gears, 99% being helical without a trans brace lol... I am working on that as we speak. My only concern is the axles now if I upgrade turbo and to bettter tires
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:47 AM   #8
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You have yet to prove ****, except that you can run your mouth.

CFM x 10 = estimated CHP. Account for VE, and then drivetrain loss. That should get you in the ballpark regarding the turbo you want. Or go see what other people have done with various setups, then add 25% cause you are the first ever, record breaking, most badass mofo ever to drive a subie
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Old 08-19-2012, 07:39 PM   #9
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Can you prove that a rotated 35r puts down more power on pump gas vs me running a 2.5xtr on ethanol or a 3.0...etc

huh?


Can you prove that a stock location will make as much power on 87 octane as a larger rotated turbo on c16? Why not make comparisons that have a point? Like a stock location ATP GTX3071 on e85 vs. a rotated GTX3071 on e85..

You're argument is like saying an 18g on e85 will make more power than a 35r on piss water, so obviously the 18g is better for drag racing. If you're going to run ethanol, then run ethanol.. and I guarantee a 35r will make more power than a 2.5XT-R.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:08 PM   #10
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My 2.5 will destroy any 35r on pump but that's not my point. Many things need to be upgraded go rotated 35r. I'm just saying big turbos suck on pump. I would rather have a 3.0 or 4.0 on e85 than a 35r on pump even w meth. I asked for turbo advice and I dont see proof that rotated turbos make more power than bolt on. I don't wanna be limited on boost due to lack of ethanol. Push the envelope ya know. The reason most cars are slow with a 35r is cause they are on pump low boost and have a 6sp and have to use 5th gear on top of not having enough inj or pump to supply high hp without spending big bucks.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:18 PM   #11
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My 2.5 will destroy any 35r on pump but that's not my point. Many things need to be upgraded go rotated 35r. I'm just saying big turbos suck on pump. I would rather have a 3.0 or 4.0 on e85 than a 35r on pump even w meth. I asked for turbo advice and I dont see proof that rotated turbos make more power than bolt on. I don't wanna be limited on boost due to lack of ethanol. Push the envelope ya know. The reason most cars are slow with a 35r is cause they are on pump low boost and have a 6sp and have to use 5th gear on top of not having enough inj or pump to supply high hp without spending big bucks.
I like how you put all of the stupid bull**** you believe in one paragraph. Hope you're going to be "pushing the envelope" bro.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:32 PM   #12
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My 2.5 will destroy any 35r on pump but that's not my point. Many things need to be upgraded go rotated 35r. I'm just saying big turbos suck on pump. I would rather have a 3.0 or 4.0 on e85 than a 35r on pump even w meth. I asked for turbo advice and I dont see proof that rotated turbos make more power than bolt on. I don't wanna be limited on boost due to lack of ethanol. Push the envelope ya know. The reason most cars are slow with a 35r is cause they are on pump low boost and have a 6sp and have to use 5th gear on top of not having enough inj or pump to supply high hp without spending big bucks.

Destroy as in how? A small GTX35r makes around 450whp on pump gas and low boost. A quick search shows Dom 2.5s making around 350whp on pump gas. I guess you meant the 2.5 would be destroyed?

Is your argument that you will not be able to purchase ethanol if you run a larger turbo? I don't follow.. if a certain fuel is available it doesn't matter what turbo you are running, you can still buy it.



If it's just a matter of you don't want to spend the money to build an engine and fuel system that will handle more power than a 71mm turbo will make.. then that's a valid argument. But properly built car with a rotated 35r will be in the 9s. I haven't seen any Dom 2.5 running 9s.

I have to admit I'm a little curious of your times on the Dom 2.5 since it will destroy any 35r.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:44 PM   #13
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****ty 92, 475whp on 20 psi gtx35r. Full boost by 4k, 8k redline.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:07 AM   #14
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Have you thought about a FP Black? They support 35r numbers in stock location. Oh... never mind that would be a downgrade for you...
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:33 AM   #15
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I feel dumb now. Thanks for killing my brain with this thread. Location of turbo has nothing to do with the amount of power it will make, but due to space limitations fitting a proper intake on a larger turbo becomes very difficult. Your 2.5 will never out perform a proper 35r setup. Your comparing apple's to oranges, any compatible build as far as supporting mods to support a 35r vs a 2.5, the 35r will win regardless of what tranny you use.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:35 AM   #16
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What makes me a serious drag racing are my record setting times on small turbos not the location of my turbo. What makes a rotated setup so superior? Can you prove that a rotated 35r puts down more power on pump gas vs me running a 2.5xtr on ethanol or a 3.0...etc

I also proved that my 5sp ppg gear ratio is superior to any stock sti 6sp ratio except in strength. That is what the regulars claim....the whole 5 guys in the usa that have broken ppg gears, 99% being helical without a trans brace lol... I am working on that as we speak. My only concern is the axles now if I upgrade turbo and to bettter tires
Prove, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:04 AM   #17
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Location of turbo has nothing to do with the amount of power it will make, but due to space limitations fitting a proper intake on a larger turbo becomes very difficult.
He doesn't do the work on the car so this is irrelevant.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:17 PM   #18
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I asked for turbo advice and I dont see proof that rotated turbos make more power than bolt on.
Turbos of similar specs rotated and factory location should be the same performance wise. The limiting factor is inlet diameter and length of piping required.

Rotated just allows for larger turbo inlet piping, and uses different exhaust housing instead of the five bolt. You could actually "Rotate" a stock location turbo. Some turbos are too large to mount in a factory location. Most people dont rotate the smaller than 35r turbos because there really isnt a need to when stock location is available. Thats not to say you couldnt.

Technically a person could low mount a 42-52lb per minute turbo and conceivably spool faster than your stock location turbo due to shorter exhaust piping. There really is no limit once you move from factory location.

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Old 08-20-2012, 01:15 PM   #19
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Didn't Buschur racing rotated a FP green and gained 20whp....?
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:05 PM   #20
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All this stock location and IWG talk brought juan to mind...

Rotating has proven to be easier to work on as well as make more power between the easier flowing intake/inlet paths as well as larger exhaust housings created when moving away from the SL variations.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:22 PM   #21
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All this stock location and IWG talk brought juan to mind...

Rotating has proven to be easier to work on as well as make more power between the easier flowing intake/inlet paths as well as larger exhaust housings created when moving away from the SL variations.
Easier to work on for sure, I can get my GT3794 off in about 10 minutes!!
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:26 PM   #22
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Don't have enough fuel for 5.0xtr of fp black. Choice now is 3.0 or 3.5xtr
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Don't have enough fuel for 5.0xtr of fp black. Choice now is 3.0 or 3.5xtr
Buy bigger injectors? Doesn't really seem like big enough upgrade for it to be worth the money.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:44 PM   #24
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why is iwg even an option if you are looking to play record breaking bs games?
such a huge amount of hp and tq thrown away
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:08 PM   #25
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Cause he has no idea how these things really works, ad thinks he can will his way into the record books
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