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Old 11-09-2015, 03:14 PM   #1
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Old 11-09-2015, 05:00 PM   #2
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15 out of the 20 cars listed in-car electronics..... so im going to bet thats related to infotainment.
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Old 11-09-2015, 05:08 PM   #3
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#5 Corvette : in-car electronics, engine, climate system

this is the same engine in the new Camaro SS, right?
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Old 11-09-2015, 06:10 PM   #4
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#5 Corvette : in-car electronics, engine, climate system

this is the same engine in the new Camaro SS, right?
Yes.

If you recall, several Corvettes grendaded their engines at low mileage. Also, there's the (C&D? Motortrend? R&T?) test Corvette Z06 that did very poorly due to some engine issues among other things.
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Old 11-09-2015, 06:42 PM   #5
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15 out of the 20 cars listed in-car electronics..... so im going to bet thats related to infotainment.
Yeah, and 18 of 20 had at least one of the three listed as a fault:

- engine
- transmission
- drive system
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:01 PM   #6
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Yes.

If you recall, several Corvettes grendaded their engines at low mileage. Also, there's the (C&D? Motortrend? R&T?) test Corvette Z06 that did very poorly due to some engine issues among other things.
I also seem to remember the recent Motor Trend comparison where they couldn't grade the Vette because it had engine issues.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:31 PM   #7
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I'm surprised to see Mazda and Subaru so high on the 'good' list.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:40 PM   #8
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Yeah, and 18 of 20 had at least one of the three listed as a fault:

- engine
- transmission
- drive system
Informative, isn't that?
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:29 PM   #9
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I'm glad to see Fiat is living up to their reputation
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:45 PM   #10
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First of all, thanks for posting that.

Secondly, what the hell is going on with Acura and Infiniti? Germans have caught up a lot!
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Old 11-09-2015, 11:47 PM   #11
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Top 5 for Subaru.

Lexus, as usual.
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Old 11-09-2015, 11:54 PM   #12
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First of all, thanks for posting that.

Secondly, what the hell is going on with Acura and Infiniti? Germans have caught up a lot!

Shhh! Don't tell the VW haters.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:01 AM   #13
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That 9speed auto seems hellbent on destroying everything it's put in...
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Old 11-10-2015, 02:28 AM   #14
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Shhh! Don't tell the VW haters.

This actually makes the whole diesel gate fiasco that much more unfortunate. With the new Tiguan + a mid size SUV, AND with above average reliability, they really could've turned it around in the U.S. Too bad.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:04 AM   #15
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That 9speed auto seems hellbent on destroying everything it's put in...
That powershift auto (or whatever they call it) and its weird noises are dragging Ford down too.
Makes me wonder what this list would look like if people still bought manuals.


Also the Impreza being Subaru's best model and the WRX/STi being its worst is pretty telling.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:24 AM   #16
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I take it because people mod and beat up their meat, er, wrx/sti.
From what it seems, the best seem to be the typical people movers, and the worst the sports cars.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:09 AM   #17
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Does SOA know that the Outback is listed as a wagon? What is the world coming to?

Infotainment will keep being an issue. People can sit and play with their phone to figure it out. However, no one goes out and just sits in the car trying to figure out the system. They try to do it while driving and then complain that it sucks. Every manufacturer has their own idea of what is intuitive.

Peace,

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Old 11-10-2015, 10:32 AM   #18
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Hmmmm, my 2015 a3 has been in the shop for about 50 days now in its 11k miles.

Issues that still need to be fixed: windows either work or they don't, the e-brake likes to apply itself randomly (not while driving), silver trim around the window buttons peeling off (its just a thick sticker), infotainment system likes to change the radio station or lose my presets if the car sits unused for several hours, sometimes it takes about an hour to cool the car off because the a/c sucks balls......but it only sucks sometimes, and finally the radiator fan likes to kick on even when the car hasn't been driven and sits for days. Also this car makes the most odd noises while sitting unused and ub driven, at any given time it sounds as if the fuel pump is being turned on .... Or at least something along those lines.of course none of this comes up when it gets to the dealer but I do manage to get some of them on video

Hands down the worst car ive ever owned.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:44 AM   #19
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Lemon law that bitch.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:09 AM   #20
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The impreza beat the corolla.

wow, that is really saying something.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:14 AM   #21
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I'm in the process now. It's going back in to the dealer in two weeks. If the closest dealer wasn't so damn far away it would be there every other day.

Issues I've had since day one (June 2014)
-A/c stopped working: dealer couldn't find the cause ...in the shop for 29 days(car had 1k miles)
-Computer thought the key was still in the car even though it wasn't. Rendering the door locks useless
-lagging dsg.
-dsg thinks its in manual mode or sport mode when it isn't
-windows roll down by themslevs
-trunk pops open by itslef
-radio fails to boot up
-rain sensors didn't work
-tpms not working correctly (or 5 different psi guages won't working correctly)
-sunroof wouldn't close or it would open by itslef

Surprisingly some of these problems have "fixed" themselves. (Huge amount of sarcasm in that sentence)
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:16 AM   #22
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Sorry for your issues, man,

Hope they all work out for the better bud.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:29 AM   #23
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Hmmmm, my 2015 A3 has been in the shop for about 50 days now in its 11k miles... Hands down the worst car I've ever owned.
Sorry to hear about your issues bro. The A3 is roughly a dressed up Jetta/Golf and that car is terrible. The only solution for these cars is fire. Burn it. With fire.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:34 AM   #24
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I'm in the process now. It's going back in to the dealer in two weeks. If the closest dealer wasn't so damn far away it would be there every other day.

Issues I've had since day one (June 2014)
-A/c stopped working: dealer couldn't find the cause ...in the shop for 29 days(car had 1k miles)
-Computer thought the key was still in the car even though it wasn't. Rendering the door locks useless
-lagging dsg.
-dsg thinks its in manual mode or sport mode when it isn't
-windows roll down by themslevs
-trunk pops open by itslef
-radio fails to boot up
-rain sensors didn't work
-tpms not working correctly (or 5 different psi guages won't working correctly)
-sunroof wouldn't close or it would open by itslef

Surprisingly some of these problems have "fixed" themselves. (Huge amount of sarcasm in that sentence)
That all sounds like when the battery is going out on a BMW.

While the german cars are very nice, all this tech makes me want to move to something more primitive.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:40 AM   #25
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I basically ignore CR's ratings these days. They have a large sample size but their conclusions aren't worth the paper they're printed on. They need to hire someone who's taken a statistics class and someone who understands manufacturing, apparently the two people who had a clue left in ~2010.

Seriously, what planet are they on that the FRS and BRZ belong in different data pools? Sure, the infotainment system is different, but how is that relevant? The base Focus and the Titanium model are in the same data pool but share less in common than the FRS and BRZ, including their infotainment systems!

With all the platforming going on these days splitting the market by make/model makes less sense than ever, yet CR stopped publishing their "corporate twins" info long ago. How about pooling data by drivetrain and platform? (I know, concept right?) So all the MQB cars end up in the same pool for chassis problems, and all the 1.8t cars for engine, all the DSG cars for trans? But no, we get more colored dot idiocy.

How about long term data? The correlation between short term repair rates and cost of ownership is not high. The bulk of CR's survey data is based on the first three years of ownership. That's not even beyond the bumper to bumper warranty. It's been 30 years since Toyota proved a car could go a decade on little more than regular maintenance, why is CR still obsessed with the first three years in exclusion of the bulk of the vehicle's useful life? The average new car today is owned for ~6 years, and even those who sell sooner are worried about resale value which is highly dependent on maintenance and repair costs.

How about letting repair cost have a direct impact on ratings rather than a peripheral mention? So a car that requires repairs 25% less frequently but at double the cost ends up ranked lower. Nope, more colored bubble stupidity.
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