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Old 07-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #1
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i think everyone knows this technique but for me its easier to watch than do

once i have talked to a guy that races semi professional and he told me that the most important piece are pedals, he says he always raises throttle because those 2 must be even to properly and easily execute heel and toe breaking and downshifting

what are your views about it??
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:47 PM   #2
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After you've been doing it consistantly for a few years on the track, you don't even think about it anymore. Don't overthink it. The whole idea is to be able to threshold brake into a corner and get the revs somewhat matched so the tires aren't upset, messing up braking. That's really all it is.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:23 AM   #3
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yeah...and i have seen and had to do it several different ways on different cars

sometimes ya have to use the toes of your foot on the throttle pedal and your heel on the brake.....one car i had...dont remember which one it was now, but ya hadda use your toe on the throttle linkage above the pedal to get it right

ive been doing it so long now that i dont even realize im doing it anymore
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:36 AM   #4
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I'm starting to get into the habit myself. For me the most important thing is foot placement. I press higher up on the brake pedal in order to comfortably access and blip the gas. Try working on just rev matching(without braking) in heel toe position, then try both. It takes practice to get the proper feel down
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:18 AM   #5
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I've never done the heal toe with my actual heal and toe. I just always brake with the left side of my foot and blip the gas with the right side of my foot by rocking it over.

I always rev match in every day driving, and "heal toe" when I get spirited.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:30 AM   #6
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I've never done the heal toe with my actual heal and toe. I just always brake with the left side of my foot and blip the gas with the right side of my foot by rocking it over.

I always rev match in every day driving, and "heal toe" when I get spirited.

that's kinna the point....there are many ways it is, has, and can be done

what you describe is pretty much how i do it in my wrx....ball of the foot on the brake and 'roll' the instep over onto the throttle pedal

and "HEEL'
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:58 AM   #7
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that's kinna the point....there are many ways it is, has, and can be done
*nod* Also what Jack said.

I heel-toe with... my heel and my toe. I'm 5'5 and female, and as a result have smaller feet than most men. This means there's plenty of space, even in small cars, for me to twist my foot over. I'm also fairly flexible, so can twist my foot fairly far and stretch my calf pretty well. As a result, I've never needed to move or change a pedal to heel-toe without issue, and in few cars do I even need to think about it.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:04 AM   #8
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I rev match every single downshift, but honestly have been somewhat intimidated by heel-toe...hmm maybe I'll just made this my next driver mod!!
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:11 AM   #9
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my feet are too big to do heel toe. i have half my foot on the brake and half on the gas to rev match.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:29 AM   #10
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What size ur shoe bro? ^
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:47 AM   #11
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Having done it in bigass boots, foot size isn't a problem. Heck, you'll run into the problem of overlapping the gas and brake pedal during normal driving before you can't heel-toe anymore.

Really learning is just about doing. You start and play with it on a regular basis. Over time you get better. That's it. The how is less important as that varies by car, shoe size, show type (heels, shape, etc.), and even how you sit in the car (how close or far you are in the seat). In the end all you need to do is apply some braking force while also being able to reach over with the same foot to apply a blip of gas.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:04 PM   #12
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It really all depends on the car. In my spec miata the pedals have been adjusted so that they are even when I'm under heavy braking, making it easy to get to the throttle. But the Wrx is a little different because under heavy braking my throttle is actually higher then my brake pedal (I have a very soft pedal for some reason), so I usually blip the throttle before braking a little more then I need so by the time I get to the brake the revs are matched. I can go on and on about different cars I have driven and the different driving styles they require.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:06 PM   #13
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What size ur shoe bro? ^
only 11. but theres not enough room for me to swing my heel over bc of the floor panel. idk, never got the hang of heel toe. the way i do it works good for me
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:32 PM   #14
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It's always shifting down to second, turning and still being on the brakes, where I need to blip it, but I still never have really mastered being able to blip the throttle to rev-match without screwing up my braking.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:37 PM   #15
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Here you go, try to emulate this guy.


In loafers..... legendary.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:41 PM   #16
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he uses both methods in that video^^
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:55 PM   #17
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my feet are too big to do heel toe. i have half my foot on the brake and half on the gas to rev match.
I wear 13's and manage fine, just takes practice.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:27 PM   #18
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I have this pedal set, it's not pep boys crap, they are functional and fit right. The little extension on the gas pedal lets you hit the throttle with your heel as you brake with your toe. You want to adjust the pedals so that when the brake is applied it's even with the gas at rest.

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Old 07-28-2013, 01:41 PM   #19
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that's kinna the point....there are many ways it is, has, and can be done

what you describe is pretty much how i do it in my wrx....ball of the foot on the brake and 'roll' the instep over onto the throttle pedal

and "HEEL'
Exactly how I do it as well. The first time I did it properly on my way to work I couldn't stop telling everyone about it.
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:56 PM   #20
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my feet are too big to do heel toe. i have half my foot on the brake and half on the gas to rev match.
That's still "heel toe". The term for "using three pedals with two feet" is heel & toe, no matter what parts of the foot you use.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:02 PM   #21
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Here you go, try to emulate this guy.

Video Link: http://youtu.be/8By2AEsGAhU

In loafers..... legendary.
& with white socks. One brave fellow.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:04 PM   #22
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I've seen that senna video of heel toe. I loved it. I love him.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:03 PM   #23
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It's a useful technique for advanced drivers on a track.
For beginners, I would advice that they focus on staying in the racing line with proper braking/accelerating/weight control first.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:49 PM   #24
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try wearing pumas...they were made for heel toe driving! just sayin...
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:30 AM   #25
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try wearing pumas...they were made for heel toe driving! just sayin...
I have pumas. They're size 13, heel toe is very difficult!
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