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Old 09-20-2013, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default Racing logic?

How do racers prepare to "own" a track?

Does one first look at a track's best lap time and go, "hmmm, how can I beat that?"

"How do I get my little stock 2012 WRX around that 2.8 mile track in 2 minutes?"

Assuming an experienced driver familiar with the track line and after a day of driving the stock vehicle the average lap time was 2.5 minutes.

What is the line of reasoning that would enable the driver to reach the goal or determine if its even possible?
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:24 AM   #2
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:10 PM   #3
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:00 PM   #4
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"How do I get my little stock 2012 WRX around that 2.8 mile track in 2 minutes?"

the average lap time was 2.5 minutes.

determine if its even possible?
Post at least five lap times.
The average is 2.5 minutes and now I need the variation, the 'standard deviation' corrected for the small sample size. With that I should be able to tell you the likelihood of getting to 2.0 minutes.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:52 PM   #5
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How do racers prepare to "own" a track?

Does one first look at a track's best lap time and go, "hmmm, how can I beat that?"

"How do I get my little stock 2012 WRX around that 2.8 mile track in 2 minutes?"

Assuming an experienced driver familiar with the track line and after a day of driving the stock vehicle the average lap time was 2.5 minutes.

What is the line of reasoning that would enable the driver to reach the goal or determine if its even possible?
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:59 PM   #6
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Phase one. Get lots o money.
Phase two....
Phase three profit.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:00 PM   #7
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Have you ever had a dreams that sss that you had you um you had you tt you what you could do you went you want ts you you could do so you you do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:36 PM   #8
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My apologies for the confusion. I wasn't speaking literally, but rather was simply providing general reference numbers that are similar to an actual scenario.

I don't actually plan to take my wrx around a track in two minutes. The scenario is hypothetical.

I'm more interested in what a racer is thinking when faced with a new track. What is his/her line of reasoning? Or is it one of those, "everyone, does it differently" kind of situations?
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:05 AM   #9
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Having race experience, there is no way to go fast without seat time. The best way to know your braking points and the race line is through simulator's. Xbox, ps3, iracing, etc etc. These are all great tools to prep someone before they get to a track that they have never been too before. Then, you just have to put your knowledge that you gathered from watching video's and simulations and use it. Make mistakes during practice and fix them. Always record your runs and have a blank track map print out and watch over the footage and take down notes. The goods, the bads etc... These are the basic ways a race car driver basically goes into a track they never been to and gets up to speed. If a very experience driver in a "stock" car, they should be able to get up to speed in about 1-2 outings as they're sense of what the car is doing is much greater and understanding of racing
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I would assume you go to the track and start turning laps and seeing where you can improve...
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Start out by being determined to own the track, means the track is likely to pOWn you first.

Learn the lines, be patient, learn the car learn your own limits first, then maybe worry about owning the track.
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Having race experience, there is no way to go fast without seat time. The best way to know your braking points and the race line is through simulator's. Xbox, ps3, iracing, etc etc. These are all great tools to prep someone before they get to a track that they have never been too before. Then, you just have to put your knowledge that you gathered from watching video's and simulations and use it. Make mistakes during practice and fix them. Always record your runs and have a blank track map print out and watch over the footage and take down notes. The goods, the bads etc... These are the basic ways a race car driver basically goes into a track they never been to and gets up to speed. If a very experience driver in a "stock" car, they should be able to get up to speed in about 1-2 outings as they're sense of what the car is doing is much greater and understanding of racing
Thank you, sir!! This is exactly what I was looking for!

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I would assume you go to the track and start turning laps and seeing where you can improve...
I do.

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Start out by being determined to own the track, means the track is likely to pOWn you first.

Learn the lines, be patient, learn the car learn your own limits first, then maybe worry about owning the track.
I am in no hurry. This is a hobby, fortunately.


Thanks everyone.
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Old 10-06-2013, 02:28 PM   #13
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http://www.cyclenews.com/587/22422/R...Interview.aspx

Some great insights from a World Champion motorcycle racer. Yeah, I know, he's no car guy but the information still applies. The article is very long, but very concise about what it takes to develop the champion mindset, the dues you have to pay, the seat time, but in the end the WILLPOWER to overcome and OWN the racetrack.


This is another good link to some fantastic information…on mindset, car set up and the dynamics you need to master to move onwards. I consider everything in this to be gospel and you must know this stuff implicitly to have a solid foundation.

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets.html


Watch every movie you can and read every book you can on the subject. Read about successful racers or people in the world. It can give you much insight on how to improve areas of your own life.

I realize that it may sound crazy, but I apply a lot of excerpts from the 'Art Of War' by Sun Tzu to my racing. It is everywhere you look, if you have the eyes to see it. Watch the focus with which a Cheetah runs, or an Eagle catching it's prey. If you desire it, develop yourself, learn to overcome obstacles in equipment, logistics, money and weather, learn to look at your own faults, egocentricities, with an unwavering objective eye…..and THEN make it your passion…remarkable things can happen.

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Old 10-06-2013, 05:47 PM   #14
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Start out with a slower car first. Being a novice and bringing a high hp car to a track day can be interesting. Make sure you have capable brakes................ Going off because your brakes faded and or you boiled the fluid is an easy way to cause yourself a fortune and or your life.

Last but not least, bring lots of money.
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