Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday April 28, 2017
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-15-2014, 02:24 PM   #1
AVANTI R5
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Vehicle:
2017 911 Turbo
Miami Blue/ pdk

Default 2015 Indian Scout



Quote:
LOS ANGELES, California -- Itís an exciting concept, an all-new 2015 Indian Scout. This nameplate has been dead and buried for some 66 years, and yet now Iím riding one down the coast of Southern California just before sunrise. But something about this Scout, a nearly flawless middleweight cruiser dipped in thick blood-red paint, isnít sitting right with me.
Defying death

When you unearth a beloved name with a strong heritage, whatever follows must be worthy. The Indian Scout came about in the early 1920s, and it made its mark on the American motorcycle scene as an innovative, lightweight bike that could take a beating.





The ďWrecking CrewĒ of Ernie Beckman, Bobby Hill, and Bill Tuman won a ton of flat-track races at county fairs on the original Indian Scout in the 1920s. Stunt riders were fond of the 101 Scout for ďWall of DeathĒ stunt riding inside iron cages at carnivals during the 1930s. Burt Munro broke records at the Bonneville Salt Flat in the 1960s on his 1920 Scout. By the time the Scout nameplate disappeared in 1949, it had built a seriously badass reputation that still percolates in the consciousness of motorcycle riders today.









The whole Indian Motorcycle Company folded in 1953, leaving Harley-Davidson as the only remnant of the dozens of motorcycle brands from the early years of the 20th century. Afterwards, the nameplate fell into the hands of a succession of people with big ideas but too little expertise, and assorted English, Italian, Taiwanese, and American bikes were introduced as the rebirth of Indian. Finally, Polaris bought the Indian brand in 2011 and brought to bear its resources as a maker of snowmobiles and ATVs.
ďThe Indian Scout is a good value, has great sex appeal and, most importantly, itís easy to ride.Ē


Once the new Indian Chief hit the street in 2013, Polaris decided that this second-chance brand needed an entry-level cruiser, so Indian got the green light to do a clean-sheet build on a brand-new bike. The 2015 Indian Scout was revealed this past summer at the popular motorcycle gathering in Sturgis, South Dakota. Since then, every motorcycle enthusiast (myself included) has been scheming about a way to free up $11,000 to buy one.




A tough kind of beauty that everyone understands

Over the last few months, Iíve heard the same thing again and again and again: ďI donít really like cruisers, but, man, that Scout. ÖĒ The 2015 Indian Scout is a knockout beauty, but not in that perfect, Charlize Theron way. Itís the Uma Thurman kind of beauty, where ďelegantĒ is too soft of a term and ďbutchĒ too hard. The 2015 Indian Scoutís smooth curves are finished with hard edges that beautifully envelope the triangular cast-aluminum frame. The full fenders, the prominent lion-tooth fuel tank, and the brown leather-upholstered seat play well together.

This brawny bike is surprisingly approachable, even to civilians. I found myself in conversation with a man driving a Honda CR-V with two little girls in the back seat (their heads bobbing to the music of Taylor Swift, no doubt), a woman in a Mini Cooper with an iPhone in a sparkly pink case pasted to her ear, and a guy on a mountain bike tugging along his 4-year-old son in a TrailGator.




Each of these dialogues ends the same way, as I make a quick salute of goodbye followed by a lot (too much) throttle and a quick release of the clutch. The Scout is a 550-lb bike with fat tires, but it also has a brand-new, 100-hp V-twin with 72 lb-ft of torque -- an engine thatís happy to help you lift the front wheel should you be an overzealous showoff. This is not a recommended practice, as it takes a good bit of muscle to keep the Scout running straight and rubber-side down once you finish your stunt. This is a cruiser, so itís best to build speed slowly and naturally, the way an avalanche comes down a mountainside.
More Indian than you might want

The 2015 Indian Scout is a good value, has great sex appeal, and, most important, itís easy to ride. The bikeís weight is effortlessly managed in both tight and wide-open corners, the ratios of the six-speed transmissionís gears deliver a broad, easily managed spread of performance, and the big engine is a predictable pussycat that wonít bite unless you taunt it.





Really, thereís little wrong with this comfortable and chic motorcycle. This is why, for the last three days, Iíve been waking up each morning before dawn to cruise along the coast. Iíve come looking for that itch, that thing that isnít sitting right with me about the Scout. And it isnít until now, a new sun burning the sky orange and red, that I figure it out.









Iím not on an all-new Scout; Iím on an all-new Indian with a Scout badge. This is not the nimble Scout that went around dirt tracks, spun inside iron cages, or sped across the salt flats. This is simply a slightly downsized version of a big cruiser bike -- an Indian Chief-tini.




Cool cruiser with character

Of course, my romantic thoughts about the value of tradition donít really fit in a world where even motorcycle people see heritage as trendy, not hallowed. And, truth be told, I loathe people who look up the road for some imaginary ghost when they already have something wonderful and real at their feet.




The 2015 Indian Scout is a very well-engineered, very cool cruiser with a lot of character, and it will bring new and experienced riders alike to a historic brand.



The sun is well above the horizon to the east, the sky is a pale shade of blue, and morning traffic is starting to thicken around me. As I swing the Scout away from the coast, I notice I canít see the Scout badges on the bikeís fuel tank from where I sit. This makes me think about two good things. First, the Indian Scout of my imagination is still waiting to be resurrected. And second, I get to ride this Indian while I wait.
2015 Indian Scout Specifications

Base price: $10,999 Price as tested: $11,549 Engine: 1.1-L DOHC 8-valve V-2 Power: 100 hp @ 8,100 rpm Torque: 72.2 lb-ft @ 5,900 rpm Transmission:6-speed manual Drive: Rear-wheel EPA Mileage: 33 mpg combined (est)




* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
AVANTI R5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 12-15-2014, 02:43 PM   #2
blubaru703
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 71380
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: International
Default

I actually kind of like it, and that's the first affordably priced Indian I've seen to date.
blubaru703 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2014, 07:24 PM   #3
daveyboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 35419
Join Date: Apr 2003
Default

This thing absolutely blows away the comparable HD competition.

HD should be very afraid.
daveyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2014, 08:51 PM   #4
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

Treading into unknown territory for me, but isn't 33mpg horrible for a motorcycle?

I thought sport bikes like the ninja 600 made more power, more torque, less displacement, and WAY better mpg...
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2014, 09:17 PM   #5
full of dents
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 181717
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Hour west of Chicago(HINCKLEY)
Vehicle:
12 sti hatch
w r b

Default

im pushing near 50 mpg with a modded sporty 1200 and a heavy wrist.
full of dents is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2014, 11:04 PM   #6
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:
that 's, like, your
alternate facts, man.

Default

Here's a really cool video about the new Chief for anyone who hasn't seen it.

All-New Indian Chief, Chieftain and Cub Crafters Ö:

Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyboy View Post
This thing absolutely blows away the comparable HD competition.

HD should be very afraid.
Victory has been outclassing HD for many years.. Unless Polaris is going to sell these at T-shirt shops like H-D does, they aren't going to strike any fear.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2014, 11:45 PM   #7
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by full of dents View Post
im pushing near 50 mpg with a modded sporty 1200 and a heavy wrist.
The Indian has 100hp
The H-D 1200 has 62hp

Slight different in power.
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:04 AM   #8
Sub!eDr!ver
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88924
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2007 Tribeca Limited
05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)

Default

I'm really glad Polaris rescued Indian from going extinct again. How many others tried to resurrect it and went under? 2? 3? 4?
I like the other stuff Polaris is doing too - the Slingshot is awesome!
Sub!eDr!ver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:08 AM   #9
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAWD View Post
The Indian has 100hp
The H-D 1200 has 62hp

Slight different in power.
And the current NX-6R has 130hp and gets 44mpg combined according to wiki.

So what's their excuse? Motorcycles stuck in the 90s when Japanese was hands down better than anything American?
At least the looks are outstanding.
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:22 AM   #10
daveyboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 35419
Join Date: Apr 2003
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus View Post
Here's a really cool video about the new Chief for anyone who hasn't seen it.

All-New Indian Chief, Chieftain and Cub Crafters Ö: http://youtu.be/u2xcJfxAsNs



Victory has been outclassing HD for many years.. Unless Polaris is going to sell these at T-shirt shops like H-D does, they aren't going to strike any fear.
I know that. But Victory just doesn't have the "it" factor that the name Indian might bring.
daveyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:50 AM   #11
blubaru703
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 71380
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: International
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXHillClimb View Post
And the current NX-6R has 130hp and gets 44mpg combined according to wiki.

So what's their excuse? Motorcycles stuck in the 90s when Japanese was hands down better than anything American?
At least the looks are outstanding.
Are you really comparing a cruiser to a sport bike?????
blubaru703 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:52 AM   #12
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:
that 's, like, your
alternate facts, man.

Default

You're suggesting that the bread & butter H-D buyer knows or cares about Indian. I think Indian will bring a few more buyers into Victory showrooms, but the only thing that scares H-D is their clientele aging.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 11:53 AM   #13
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXHillClimb View Post
And the current NX-6R has 130hp and gets 44mpg combined according to wiki.

So what's their excuse? Motorcycles stuck in the 90s when Japanese was hands down better than anything American?
At least the looks are outstanding.
Yes, that's right the "NX-6R" is what you should buy then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blubaru703 View Post
Are you really comparing a cruiser to a sport bike?????
Yep...it is WRXHillClimb, I'm not surprised.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus View Post
You're suggesting that the bread & butter H-D buyer knows or cares about Indian. I think Indian will bring a few more buyers into Victory showrooms, but the only thing that scares H-D is their clientele aging.
I think the Scout is targeted towards the gen X and younger crowd. Too small and not enough low-end torque for H-D buyers.

H-D is trying to do the same with their new Street line. I expect that to expand to meet the Indian challenge.

Last edited by AllAWD; 12-16-2014 at 11:59 AM.
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 12:05 PM   #14
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

ZX-6R Whoops. As I said, I don't know bikes in the least.

And yes, I'd compare the power plants of anything to anything else. It's one of the key elements that indicates how advanced a car, boat, plane, motorcycle, whatever is, and that absolutely matters.

Bikes all serve the same purpose that I can see. NO bike is practical or safe. They're toys. You ride them on the road because you like motorcycles. They don't have the capacity to be appliances like cars do, unless you're an idiot and try to make it one.

"But my saddle bags". Yeah, your saddle bags that can carry 4 grocery bags or two outfits. They're a fashion statement more than anything. Still not practical in the least compared to even the tiniest of cars.
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 12:20 PM   #15
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXHillClimb View Post
ZX-6R Whoops. As I said, I don't know bikes in the least.

And yes, I'd compare the power plants of anything to anything else. It's one of the key elements that indicates how advanced a car, boat, plane, motorcycle, whatever is, and that absolutely matters.

Bikes all serve the same purpose that I can see. NO bike is practical or safe. They're toys. You ride them on the road because you like motorcycles. They don't have the capacity to be appliances like cars do, unless you're an idiot and try to make it one.

"But my saddle bags". Yeah, your saddle bags that can carry 4 grocery bags or two outfits. They're a fashion statement more than anything. Still not practical in the least compared to even the tiniest of cars.
Do you know how to look any anything beyond peak numbers? Try learning to read these and pay particular attention to the RPM scale on the horizontal access. Can you understand why a ZX-6r powerplant would not do well in a bike that weighs 200lbs more and is made for relaxed cruising instead of racing? The Scout has tons more hp and almost 2x the torque below 8000 rpm.



Last edited by AllAWD; 12-16-2014 at 12:26 PM.
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 12:22 PM   #16
Sub!eDr!ver
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88924
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2007 Tribeca Limited
05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)

Default

While I'd never buy a Harley, I could definitely see myself owning an Indian. I wish they'd bring back the old inline 4.
Sub!eDr!ver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 12:39 PM   #17
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAWD View Post
Do you know how to look any anything beyond peak numbers? Try learning to read these and pay particular attention to the RPM scale on the horizontal access. Can you understand why a ZX-6r powerplant would not do well in a bike that weighs 200lbs more and is made for relaxed cruising instead of racing? The Scout has tons more hp and almost 2x the torque below 8000 rpm.
I never consider just peak numbers, but more the entire area under a curve when something is in power band. I don't particularly care that most people seem to want effortless power and have an aversion to my favorite part of driving (revving the piss out of an engine). As long as it can physically move the bike while out of power band, I personally wouldn't care. I know that's not average consumer thinking, but the race style engine will always be more advanced, because handling high rpm to make power involves a ton of other things to enable that rpm without exploding.

So, to recap, like in car world, people want low end grunt, instead of wanting what they should: good mpg because an engine makes no power down low and outstanding performance because that same engine is tuned to run to the high heavens and make its power there instead.

Obviously I see your point the same as I see this same point every time it comes up in car world, but at the same time, I'm just going to disregard it and peddle my own opinion as superior.

Last edited by WRXHillClimb; 12-16-2014 at 02:36 PM.
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 02:01 PM   #18
Sub!eDr!ver
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88924
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2007 Tribeca Limited
05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXHillClimb View Post
... I'm just going to disregard it and pedal my own opinion as superior.
If you're going to be superior, you should at least use the correct homonym: peddle, not pedal.
Sub!eDr!ver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 02:37 PM   #19
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

It is done
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 03:12 PM   #20
Sub!eDr!ver
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 88924
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2007 Tribeca Limited
05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)

Default

Excellent! I now accept your opinion's superiority.
Sub!eDr!ver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 04:09 PM   #21
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:
that 's, like, your
alternate facts, man.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAWD View Post
I think the Scout is targeted towards the gen X and younger crowd. Too small and not enough low-end torque for H-D buyers.
I think it slots in nicely right between the Sportster and the Dyna. Don't get me wrong, I hope you're right.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 08:18 PM   #22
daveyboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 35419
Join Date: Apr 2003
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXHillClimb View Post
ZX-6R Whoops. As I said, I don't know bikes in the least.

And yes, I'd compare the power plants of anything to anything else. It's one of the key elements that indicates how advanced a car, boat, plane, motorcycle, whatever is, and that absolutely matters.

Bikes all serve the same purpose that I can see. NO bike is practical or safe. They're toys. You ride them on the road because you like motorcycles. They don't have the capacity to be appliances like cars do, unless you're an idiot and try to make it one.

"But my saddle bags". Yeah, your saddle bags that can carry 4 grocery bags or two outfits. They're a fashion statement more than anything. Still not practical in the least compared to even the tiniest of cars.
Could make a ton of comments, but I'll just ask--what organizations and venues do you "track" your S2000... .
daveyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2014, 08:31 PM   #23
full of dents
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 181717
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Hour west of Chicago(HINCKLEY)
Vehicle:
12 sti hatch
w r b

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAWD View Post
The Indian has 100hp
The H-D 1200 has 62hp

Slight different in power.
chart listed above shows the scout only makes 84, call it 85 horse. not to drastically different but the scout has a 6 speed and I have a 5 speed. Not to mention the high rev from the scout of 8100 and the sporty at like 6000.
Im still sticking with my sporty and not because im an HD for life guy or anything. Actually only been riding for a few years and thought bikes were absolutely ridiculous prior.
Sporty still seems like a better fuel mileage option. With that said, the sporty is small and uncomfortable for long rides and the scout looks quite larger and way more comfy.
comes down to personal opinion i suppose.
full of dents is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2014, 08:57 AM   #24
blubaru703
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 71380
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: International
Default

I'd rather have the Yamaha bolt than a sportster.
blubaru703 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2014, 09:01 AM   #25
WRXHillClimb
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 206907
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, MN
Vehicle:
2014 EvoX GSR

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyboy View Post
Could make a ton of comments, but I'll just ask--what organizations and venues do you "track" your S2000... .
http://www.napaspeedway.com/

no organizations, just their time attack days and open track days. I don't have my roll bar installed yet, so my guess is I wouldn't have much luck with organizations.
WRXHillClimb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2017 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.