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Old 01-21-2018, 12:16 PM   #1
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Thumbs up KillerB Spoolinator users install and build thread

My goal is for this to be the thread for owners who run the Spoolinator setup, to show and list build specs, and even dyno charts if possible. I can't find a better forum to fit this into, since you can run this setup on anything from a modified 93 impreza up to an 07 wrx sti.

My build is going slowly, mainly because of the constant ordering and waiting on tiny random gaskets, bolts, etc but also because I want it done "right" the first time around. The parts I chose aren't to make a 1000hp monster, but for something 500whp+ that I can street and not worry about. I'm not converting to a fuel cell or demolishing my trunk space and spare and tools, the goas is for a sneaky "street" car that can be driven on trips.

I will eventually find a way to get some pics of the progress up, but at this point the only parts assembled are the extremely built longblock done by Larry's in CT and a few bolt ons. I installed the KillerB cast pan with pickup and windage tray. Also got all timing components and covers installed recently, and still need to adjust the outer bolt holes in the 2.5i intake manifold. It's going to be facing rearward oem style, so getting the intercooler piping in there is probably going to suck, especially since it will have a drive by cable oem throttle body with aluminum adapter pushing it back.

Another member mentioned the transmission housing needing to be ground, I thought only the engine needed it. This puts another twist in the build because the room for this at my workplace is limited, so having the engine bolted to the trans just for grinding for turbo clearance would be a big deal.

If someone with the Spoolinator setup could post some pics and maybe even any helpful tips on the block and trans grinding, it would be appreciated. Obviously these kits are relatively rare considering how most would rather a quick bolt on solution, but maybe this thread will give more the opportunity to see what the install entails and what the benefits can be. I've seen dyno charts of a few setups and there is obviously a more usable and streetable power band. KillerB is making some instructional vids soon, but I'm not sure they will make one for this kit.


Parts list so far:

Longblock-

-Larry's AEBS sleeved and O-ringed, pinned mains, case with oil mods
-Manley I beam rods
-Manley pistons with upgraded pins
-OEM 79mm crank
-King bearings
-oem 11mm oil pump
-ARP case bolts

-EJ205 heads with CNC modified chambers and CNC ported int and ex by Ken Carlson
-14mm head studs
-GSC valve guides
-GSC S2 cams
-GSC +1mm valves
-GSC springs
-JE headgaskets


Supporting mods/externals-

-KillerB Spoolinator kit with GTX3576r G2, downpipe, adapter, etc
-KillerB oil pickup and windage tray
-KillerB extra capacity cast oil pan
-Radium fuel rails
-custom 6an regulator to rails ptfe lines
-Injector Development 2000cc injectors from Corr Performance
-Haltech Elite 1500 ecu from Corr Performance where it will be tuned
-Haltech alcohol sensor
-Innovate or ? wideband and controller (not purchased)
-DWR1000 fpr (not purchased)
-Walbro 450 (may install twin pumps intank instead) +pump speed controller
-Oem fuel line or upgrade to 8an but not sure on running inside car
-Perrin FMIC designed for 02-07
-Custom intercooler piping (not started, need recs)
-Custom "cat"back exhaust (not started, need recs)


Drivetrain-

-2011 6mt and rear diff
-ACT HD single disc clutch and streetlite fw
-DSS carbon center driveshaft
-Oem front gd axles
-Oem rear gc axles with Suberdave inner race adapters
-Cusco, Group N, or Torque Solutions engine and trans mounts? (already run group N, but may need stronger)
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I'll share some pics and info on the install with our shop 2012 STi This was with a GTX3576-R Gen I.

Here's the block grinding. There's no reason the trans should need to be ground, only the bellhousing on the block.



Here's another shot from the back...



Side shot...

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Old 01-21-2018, 01:49 PM   #3
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Looking forward to your progress. If you, or anyone else, has any questions I'm here
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I'd love to see data logs of 3rd-gear pulls from those GTX3576 setups. Or anyone else's.

(I don't trust dyno charts to show realistic boost curves, I've got one that shows my turbo waking up 1000 RPM later than my logs.)
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I'd love to see posts from owners who run the spoolinator setup, but thanks for the free bump

I will try and get logs from the tuner when things are finally rolling. They tune on a DD so at least there's no fluff.
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I'd love to see data logs of 3rd-gear pulls from those GTX3576 setups. Or anyone else's.

(I don't trust dyno charts to show realistic boost curves, I've got one that shows my turbo waking up 1000 RPM later than my logs.)
Unfortunately I don't have a 3576 log, only 3067 (which spooled better than stock). Here's the pump 93 with the 3576 Gen I



Here's the E85

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So of you be willing to share those logs killer b
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:23 PM   #8
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A few pics, not perfect but should hold up fine.
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Thinking about this kit on my 04 Sti. Iím currently stock block, Perrin ELH, up/dp/catback, FMIC, HTA Green with 50/50 meth seeing 380/430 dynojet PDX tuned, so wondering how much difference thisíll be. As much as I enjoy the top end of my setup, I miss my stage 2 Sti with the quick spool. If I can get that spool back with the power of my green or more, I think Iíd give this a shot. I know my journal bearing green is old tech. Almost pulled the trigger on the Dom 1.5xtr, but just canít make up my mind. Money isnít an issue, just trying to keep my stock 66k mile motor together as long as I can before being forced into a built block
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Thinking about this kit on my 04 Sti. Iím currently stock block, Perrin ELH, up/dp/catback, FMIC, HTA Green with 50/50 meth seeing 380/430 dynojet PDX tuned, so wondering how much difference thisíll be. As much as I enjoy the top end of my setup, I miss my stage 2 Sti with the quick spool. If I can get that spool back with the power of my green or more, I think Iíd give this a shot. I know my journal bearing green is old tech. Almost pulled the trigger on the Dom 1.5xtr, but just canít make up my mind. Money isnít an issue, just trying to keep my stock 66k mile motor together as long as I can before being forced into a built block
That gen II 3071 with the spoolinator setup would be pretty tempting for what you want.

I went with the full race stock location 7163, which I had to grind out the same spot on the block, FYI.

IF I would have gone with the spoolinator-I could now easily swap in for a 3576 genII, since you always want more power .
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/\ I got the 3576 gen 2, knew the power itch would happen. Should be pretty insane for the street. The 3582 is now available on the KillerB site, but that may be a hassle for daily or congested traffic driving.
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Chris,

Have you guys had a chance to test fit the G25 series of turbos with the Spoolinator kit yet?
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That gen II 3071 with the spoolinator setup would be pretty tempting for what you want.
^ Agreed. The GTX3071-R Gen II should eek out a wee bit more power than the HTA Green, but you should have a wider powerband too if you went the Spoolinator route.

I think we can still get the GTX3067-R hybrid which would put you down a bit on power compared to the 3071 or green, but your spool is super fast.;

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/\ I got the 3576 gen 2, knew the power itch would happen. Should be pretty insane for the street. The 3582 is now available on the KillerB site, but that may be a hassle for daily or congested traffic driving.
^ I really can't say enough about the 3576. The compressor/turbine balance is ideal for the EJ25 engines; makes really great power and tolerable streetable response. The 3582 is more the big gun setup if you're looking for BIG power, are built for it, and don't mind the rev range to be in the 4,500-7,500 RPM range. For me the 3582 is more the weekend racer setup, but a bit too laggy for jetting in and out of traffic during 'normal' driving. not everyone will agree, but this is my take
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That gen II 3071 with the spoolinator setup would be pretty tempting for what you want.

I went with the full race stock location 7163, which I had to grind out the same spot on the block, FYI.

IF I would have gone with the spoolinator-I could now easily swap in for a 3576 genII, since you always want more power .
Awesome thanks for the input! Itís a weekend warrior car, no traffic and no track for me (only SCCA) on Oahu. I more enjoyed the quick spool of the stock turbo. Hoping the $$$ thrown at the spoolinator makes sense on my stock block. Big powerband and maybe even chirping tires again

2slo thanks also for the info. The need for more never ends.

Killer B great info. I like zippiness. Letís just say Iím coming for a mustang GT 4.6 with 6psi from a whipple 😈. I just needed a more family friendly, quieter toy. Plus I owned an 04 Sti back in 07 in my broke college days. So nostalgia set in. Not to mention the Sti sounds way more interesting while driving with the turbo spooling and the blow off blowing off haha.
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Just found out from a buddy that we can buy e85 from a shop on island. No e85 pumps out in the middle of the Pacific yet.

Since I barely use a tank of gas per 6-8 weeks, I might try the e85 route. I know my 850 injectors and walbro 255 probably wonít work. But which turbo with the spoolinator kit would be more suited for e85 on a stock 2.5 Sti motor based on what Iím looking for?
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Middle of the Pacific-Mmmmm Giovanni's!

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Garlic shrimp ftw! I think I'll head north shore this weekend with the sti and family in tow just because you mentioned it haha!

KillerB's idea of the GTX3067-R hybrid sounds sickening. Plus I can just swap turbo later when I get that inevitable itch
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So here is a really poorly done compilation of our 2012 STi with a GTX3067-R (hybrid). Even with my grandpa slow shifts you can see it builds boost incredibly fast. The slower scenes (around town and highway traffic) are just to show boost response dipping into the throttle under 'normal' driving conditions.


To add to this... This was on the middle Tial housing (0.82 A/R), but on E85 I would recommend the larger housing. It would definitely make more power than what we had, but should retain similar response on E85.
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So here is a really poorly done compilation of our 2012 STi with a GTX3067-R (hybrid). Even with my grandpa slow shifts you can see it builds boost incredibly fast. The slower scenes (around town and highway traffic) are just to show boost response dipping into the throttle under 'normal' driving conditions.

https://youtu.be/Twou1hn77Rs

To add to this... This was on the middle Tial housing (0.82 A/R), but on E85 I would recommend the larger housing. It would definitely make more power than what we had, but should retain similar response on E85.
Thatís was insane! Itís like instant boost! So is that an external wastegate? Is it needed with that setup? Iíve only ever had internal gates. I do kind of like hearing more of the turbo whistle while spooling vs the external gate, but then again Iíve never ridden in a car with an external gate. So no good comparison to my internal gated green besides YouTube.

Wicked boost response you have there! Thanks for sharing that vid!! I can already envision this setup on my Sti

Grinding of the block: something I can do in my garage? Iím a home remodeling contractor and am pretty handy with tools. I use my 4Ē grinder quite often, but Iím not sure what to use on a car motor. How much material comes off the block? 1/8Ē, 3/16, 1/4Ē? Just a guestimate really. And about how much time to do said grinding?
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So is that an external wastegate? Is it needed with that setup?
Yes an EWG header setup is required with this setup. Definitely take a ride in a car with one if you're anywhere near on the fence in regards to sound levels. It's not for everyone. Many also assume the EWG is OPEN anytime you're into boost and when it does open it's screaming loud, which is not true. Depending on setup and WG springs, you can build some boost without the WG opening at all. For that particular car at ~12 psi it would start to open (mild loudness) and around 16-18psi would be mostly open (pretty loud).

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Wicked boost response you have there! Thanks for sharing that vid!! I can already envision this setup on my Sti
The car was a blast to drive and worked really well for auto-x too. Any steering input in 1st and 2nd gear with the traction control off would get it rotating without much effort.

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Grinding of the block: something I can do in my garage? Iím a home remodeling contractor and am pretty handy with tools. I use my 4Ē grinder quite often, but Iím not sure what to use on a car motor. How much material comes off the block? 1/8Ē, 3/16, 1/4Ē? Just a guestimate really. And about how much time to do said grinding?
We did the first install on our shop car with the engine in the car. Here's a pic from a block out of the car to get an idea of how much and where...



Here is the partial install of when we did it with the engine IN the car...

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That doesnít look that bad at all. Looks like once the turbo is out thereís room to grind away.
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Well it is my birthday in May, and I got a nice bonus from work, so I'm thinking of pulling the trigger soonish. Will update this thread with dyno results once I do. I just found the dyno graph from the current HTA green setup. Would be cool to only change to the spooinator setup and compare the two graphs and share with everyone here.

I noticed on the KillerB site on the drop down menu, "kit options", for the spoolinator kit that there are different prices for the same turbos. Can please advise? And where would the pricing of the GTX3067R fit in price wise? What Tial housing is larger than 0.82ar? Sorry for being noob here. Though I read a ton, it's going to take some time to really understand everything related to my sti. It sure is fun learning though!
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That doesnít look that bad at all. Looks like once the turbo is out thereís room to grind away.
It's not too bad once everything is out of the way. We laid a couple moving mats over the engine and plugged everything so no grinding debris got into anything and it made the cleanup easier.

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Would be cool to only change to the spooinator setup and compare the two graphs and share with everyone here.
Always tough when the before/after are not back to back, but I agree... It would be a nice comparison to see.

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I noticed on the KillerB site on the drop down menu, "kit options", for the spoolinator kit that there are different prices for the same turbos. Can please advise?
So there are different kit options. Essentially the 'Turbo Included' setup includes the turbo, but no Inlet (assumes you have your own silicone 3" inlet). The 'Complete Kit' Includes the inlet as well as the turbo.

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And where would the pricing of the GTX3067R fit in price wise? What Tial housing is larger than 0.82ar?
We pulled pricing for the 3067 because Garrett stopped making them. We can still get them through distribution though. I'm going off memory here (at home right now), but I believe that turbo is ~ $1,500, plus Tial Turbine housing. So it will be very close, if not the same, as the pricing for the kit with the 3071.

1.06 is going to be the largest A/R for the Tial housing. This is what I'd recommend for E85, C16, or for racing only applications.

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Sorry for being noob here. Though I read a ton, it's going to take some time to really understand everything related to my sti. It sure is fun learning though!
Don't be sorry. Everyone one of us started where you are at some point
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Always tough when the before/after are not back to back, but I agree... It would be a nice comparison to see.
I will be doing this at some point in my car's future and do a thread on it. I don't know if it's going to be next year or the following year. But the plan is to finish my current build, which will happen within the next month with my stock location IWG GTX3067, then do exactly what you guys are talking about and going spoolinator (weather I get the builder's kit or fab up my own) to get the Tial or Garrett housing (depending on which direction I go) and EWG, then go FMIC and AMS Manifold on top of that and compare all the results. I may do the first part next year and the second part the year after, but we'll see.
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I will be doing this at some point in my car's future and do a thread on it. I don't know if it's going to be next year or the following year. But the plan is to finish my current build, which will happen within the next month with my stock location IWG GTX3067, then do exactly what you guys are talking about and going spoolinator (weather I get the builder's kit or fab up my own) to get the Tial or Garrett housing (depending on which direction I go) and EWG, then go FMIC and AMS Manifold on top of that and compare all the results. I may do the first part next year and the second part the year after, but we'll see.
You'll see some additional lag with a FMIC. how much is anyone's guess, but probably not a lot. FMIC will be beneficial depending on where you are on the compressor map (how hard are you pushing the turbo).

The Tial and Garrett V-Band housings are on par performance wise (not tested, just what I've heard), but IIRC they do have difference geometry in regards to the v-band and in/out location.

You thinking AMS intake manifold? I'd strongly recommend waiting on more independent testing/results on that one. From my understanding, you really see a benefit at very high power/flow numbers. Not really anywhere near where a 3067 would put you. If anything, I would consider going to the plastic WRX manifold as the smaller runner/bigger plenum would provide improved response AND better power.
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